[DavidZ]

Originally Posted by SWALE

No, just T does not do the same things. They (T from HCG and T from TRT) are completely different.

Why? Isn't T just T?

If anything, I would think the body would prefer the T that it makes to exogenous T.

Originally Posted by SWALE

I have achieved the same serum androgen levels in men with test cyp or test gel they had on just HCG, and all report they felt better on the testosterone.

Do you have a medical explanation for this reported response?

I'm not challenging the responses that have been reported. Rather I'm probing to see if there's a known or suspected scientific explanation for them.

One possible explanation is that, as we've discussed before, HCG is trickier to dosage correctly.

Originally Posted by SWALE

THEN, when I added in HCG, they felt even better.

Do you have an explanation for this reported response? I've read your description of the hormonal pathways that HCG opens up compared with standard TRT alone. However, if that’s the explanation, then it doesn't make sense to me that men on TRT alone would report feeling better than on HCG alone. It seems to me that it should be the other way around – men on HCG alone should feel better than men on TRT alone.

Originally Posted by SWALE

You are limiting yourself with just HCG. HCG alone simply does not bring the benefits T does. Try it, you will see.

Swale, based on your comments that (a) skipping days on an HCG protocol produces roller coaster T levels and (b) the body likes consistency, I decided to switch my HCG only protocol from twice a week to daily. Actually, nightly (shots taken at bedtime) because I believe in following the circadian rhythm. My new HCG shot dosage is 65 to 70 IU every night before bed.

I don't have blood tests yet, but so far I like the new regimen.

Thanks for your comments and suggestions!