[Sunkist]

Pasak Bumi or Tongkat Ali have always interested me. I think that like so mant alternatives, they work better for some of us than others. I do use the combination you mention with some other herbals to influence LH and FSH. I have good results with this in light of supplimenting with transdermal T.

One thing to look at also is Dopamine manipulation. I believe Tongkat has an effect there especially in conjunction with Yohimbine.

Some on /off is always good. I run longer cycles now than I used to with herbals, but I use more and in smaller doses... like hormones who influence things naturally in the body in miniscule doses, one keeps constant levels, but something outside- the system can get used to.