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Old 05-10-2009, 09:39 PM
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Default Re: Letrozole 4 Gyno--management?

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Originally Posted by BBC3 View Post
The Nandrolone will not effect the psychological horns. I dont know what Norvir is. The Nandrolone is super for your cause. That stuff is awsome. Nandrolone has almost no aromatization to Estrogen and I am not sure about how it in itself could interact with E receptors?? Either way the goal is to park something other than estrogen there so the E2 cant get in there. Hear me on this. You need to read the physicians presribing info, not the one for us. This is where you will learn about the metabolism half-lives and the real pertinant info. The info for patients in nothing but watered down bullshit with a heavy steaming pile of "keep you as ignorant about our drug as possible" piled on top. Not only do you not get any information from the area you are reading, it is just partials and confusion to give you the least info they can. Check out the Physicians prescibing info on the Letro and you will see the real story. Pretty soon you are going to have to switch to Adex as the letro will be harder to control for TRT purposes. If the doc has you on the letro to try to get rid of the gyno non-surgically then that is the one to stay on until gone. Regarding the loss of sexual desire, and I am not beiing an asshole. You have to consider there has to be some SERIOUS psychological issues with the fact that you are HIV+. I am such a worrier that I dont think I could even get it up knowing that I could potentially pass that disease on to my partner. You have to give this some consideration and bring it to the front probably with a shrink and counselor. I am sure you have already addressed this issue, but I have my money on that being a large part of the problem. Time could heal that will repeated protected sex and gaining the confidence that it can be done with little risk with proper protection and technique. You know you dont have to fuck every day. At least I keep telling myself that. I would bet if you slowed down to once a week for a while, you will be waiting with bells on every saturday night.
ok, there's alot here, so let me go in order as much as possible:

this is the link that told me nandrolone fits in the E2 receptor:
Study: testosterone works better than deca
as for nandrolone affecting "the psychological horns", everything i see says different, that essentially one MUST take it with testosterone or it will essentially shut down ur gonads and
sex drive and give u gyno.i started weekly injecting of 200mg t cypionate in 11/06 and then i added 200mg nandrolone in 4/07, in the 6 months in between i was VERY horny...adding the nandrolone actually toned down my libido to where i was pre-meds/pre-hiv.

Norvir is a obsolete protease inhibitor that these days is used as a "booster"...because it inhibits a liver enzyme called cytochrome p450 3a4, anything that enzyme would normally clear out of the body instead gets increased. with that liver enzyme so suppressed and many other such enzymes taxed in my system from other meds, it seems safer for me to transition to thrice weekly doses of 1/4 Arimidex tab and test E2 levels after a month or so...i get higher blood levels of many drugs than most people do.

i already go for prescribing info over 'patient info" whenever possible, what specifially made u suspect otherwise?

i dont think ur being an asshole, and i wouldn't hesitate to tell u otherwise.

I'm HIV+ for almost 6 years now, i've acclimated pretty well to my situation...and my health AND my infectiousness now are a far cry from what they were then. not to mention that my boo is also poz...between our consistently undetectable viral loads and strictest adherence to meds, neither he nor I sweat a transmission risk.

before u ask, yes i've always told all partners that i'm poz, and yes sex partners have lied about their status in every possible configuration,,,poz claiming to be neg, neg claiming to be poz, either claiming "dont know", and more...

now, to be sure, i dont have to fuck every day...but before letrozole, i usually did. i expect that situation to return somewhat after a few weeks of controlled E2-rebound.

the reason i went into these side issues was actually to consider that perhaps nandrolone's potential E2 mimicry might have spared me the worst libido-suppressing effects of letrozole?
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