Date: 07/18/02 09:31 PM
Author: WWAD (no email) (no profile)
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
Hogg... Dude. I liked your post. Lots of good stuff.
With one exception:
You trashed Arnold's book.
Arnold is the God of Bodybuilding. Undisputed champion.
He is the legend. No one will argue that. Yet you say
his advice is crap. What gives?
Now, before you flame my newbie ass, let me say that I,
too, have come to the conclusion that his workouts are
hardcore and that they are impossible without lots of
juice and from that standpoint can be misleading. I do
think, however, that EVERYONE who would read that book
KNOWS Arnold's use of
AAS. Arnold can't say it, but we
all know it is true. Nevertheless, the book is a useful
tool in one's training arsenal. Thus to say his book
ought to be burned is just wrong.
I guess I'm just bitching because you flamed my hero.
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Date: 07/18/02 09:41 PM
Author: Grizzly
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
I thought the same thing, but on different grounds. I,
too, think that the training sections are really
pretty shitty, although there are some valid points
made. However, the rest of the book is great. I've
found the section on pre-contest to be quite
informative and pretty handy. I will say, however,
that the part about simply lowering your water intake
to dry out is complete bullshit. Arnold may say that's
what he did, but he's fucking lying. I also thought
the section on how terrible steroids are was just a
little hypocritical.
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Date: 07/19/02 01:49 AM
Edited: 07/19/02 01:57 AM
Author: Hogg
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
Dude, he is my hero too....but his training
methodologies have absolutely NO science behind
them...it was all trial and error....and most people
today will admit that he was a chronic over
trainer....the problem that I have with his book is
that newcomers are misled by his training programs and
spend 2 years in the gym without making much
progress...and then they wonder why...."I'm not
working hard enough!!!" That is not the case.
For motivation, there is nothing that I like better
than flipping those pages....see, I had the hard cover
encyclopedia version 1. I bought it about 15 years ago
but a friend never returned it to me...and so I flip
through the paperback version looking over those old
champions...and even the newer champions that were
contemporary during my first phase of bodybuilding -
Ray, Wheeler, Cormier, etc.
So let me apologize for denouncing the book as heresy.
Yes, the book has its place if you completely
disregard the training methodologies.
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Date: 07/19/02 07:15 PM
Author: fred flintstone
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
yep when i was in High School we only had universal
machine and we would all be at thebench station or
the military press or pulldown machine. we didnt
have any free weights. we would spend all day going
up and down the stack getting all pumped didnt make
any real progress. I would run 4 or so miles a day
it would be 100degrees in summer didnt eat to much
until afternoon. only stsrted again a couple years
ago doin basic heavy bench dead squat row and eatin
went 195-225 1st year got to 235 but havent been
lifting or eatin right but got a freezer full of
halbut and salmon and a month away from deer season
I wish i knew then what i do now
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Date: 03/11/03 08:28 PM
Author: AnimalMass
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
bump
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Date: 03/11/03 08:50 PM
Author: desi baba
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
I have something to say too guys. I am 19 right
now and i have been lifting since i was 15 YET i
made most of my gains in my last 2 years.WHY?
Because although i was still using free weights
and all that a while ago my biggest problem was
i never ate enough to gain muscular size because
of fear of getting fat again (i use to be
overweight as child and my early teens)at this
point i can honestly say that while free weights
and basic movements are important they are worth
nothing more than a rat's ass if your
nutritional intake is not right.
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Date: 03/12/03 04:44 AM
Author: Gavin (no profile)
Subject: RE: RE: johnsmith's recommended list
Nice post....
I was laughing at Johns book list...I gots all
of them ..lol. I have an idea of starting a
lending library in my gym when it opens in May -
anyone think this would work? You guys seem to
want to learn so I presume that many of the
folks i had written off in the past might
actually get their shit together given the
chance...Hmmmmm...Library it is then. Book
recomendations welcomed...
Gavin.
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