Date: 02/06/03 01:26 PM
Author: Hogg
Subject: RE: RE: ..
Freddy,
At what point can you characterize soreness as being simply
microtrauma within the muscle vs microtrauma at the
musculotendinosus junction? Does microtrauma not lead to
macrotrauma if the training effort is continuous and the
microtrauma itself is not addressed? Dual factor theory deals with
the optimum point in time at which to train a muscle, training a
muscle prior to the point at which it has recovered sufficiently
often leads to degradation of the muscle itself - microtrauma thus
leading to macrotrauma.
We could go on about this later tonight if it is time to break out
the textbooks and cite ACSM references but I think perhaps it is
an issue of defining soreness and training effort. If your quads
are still sore, are you going to ramp your training poundages up
past 80% 1RM? Many on this board commonly do the same routine week
after week, session after session, increasing the weight,
decreasing the reps, using momentum to complete a lift rather than
calling it quits when the muscle is no longer able to drive the
load.....and training in this manner can have severe consequences,
perhaps not if you are mildly sore....still feeling a little
tenderness when you stretch out a muscle, but chronically
sore....when your glutes hurt sooo bad that you have trouble
getting out of your chair or when your arms hurt so bad that you
wince in pain when you pick up a coffee pot.....obviously degree
of soreness is something that needs to be defined.
Mind you, I cited training methods that (seem to be) commonly
employed on this board, not everyone follows such practices, but
those that do are at risk of injury...if in fact the muscle has
not recovered sufficiently prior to the next training effort.
Also, consistently training with microtrauma begets macrotrauma
providing that the intensity remains constant - simply put, if you
never allow recovery to occur, something is going to break.
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Date: 02/06/03 01:29 PM
Author: Hogg
Subject: RE: RE: ..
And I needed to address my first paragraph a little bit better,
in certain muscles, the junction can become a very vulnerable
point that will yeild unexpectedly under even modest training
loads when microtrauma exists.
Also, one thing to note, age is a factor. The ACSM notes that
the majority of ruptures occur in athletes in their 3rd and 4th
decade of life....so perhaps the younger guys can train like
animals and disregard bio-feedback. Obviously, a 14 year old
heals from a broken arm much faster than a 30 year old so there
is much to be said for age in this equation as well.
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Date: 02/06/03 02:41 PM
Edited: 02/06/03 02:47 PM
Author: Freddy
Subject: RE: RE: ..
Dual factor training treats fitness (preparation) and fatique
as two independant variables, which are not mutually exclusive
(one can and may exist with the other). By not training when
you are sore, you can (and may) decrease your preparation.
Microtrauma CAN lead to macrotrauma. But it does not mean it
will. Like I said before, if there was a cause and effect
relationship, all strength athletes would be in pretty rough
shape. Injuries are almost always the result of multiple
hidden problems, that microtrauma may (may being the key word)
accentuate.
Let me give you an example. Bench pressing leads to
microtrauma, but bench pressing does not have a cause and
effect relationship with injuries. However, if one has a
strength imbalance between the pressing muscles and the
external rotation muscles, the microtrauma experienced from
benching could turn this imbalance into an injury. Clearly,
neither the bench pressing nor the microtrauma that resulted
from bench pressing caused the injury. What they did do,
however, was accentuate the already pre-existing strength
imbalance...resulting in an injury.
As for the guys who train without periodizing their workouts
correctly, that is a completely different matter altogether.
What I said already holds true, regardless how one chooses to
workout. It goes without saying that someone who periodizes
their training correctly and listens to their body has a much
better chance at avoiding injury than someone who does
neither. But, that is a different topic altogether, and I
don't want to go off on a tangent.
Us young bucks do have leeway with what some would consider
"reckless" training, that is true, but what we are talking
about is not reckless. Louie Simmons is 53 years old, and
trains harder than I do by a long shot. He still totals elite
to this day with a 900-1000 pound squat. If you want to talk
about training while sore, talk to Louie! He will make you
HURT.
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