Date: 02/06/03 05:38 PM
Author: Angel Face (no profile)
Subject: DOMS
I think Gavin has highlighted a lot of very good issues...
This discussion has highlighted a lot of the differences between BBing
and Powerlifting training methods....
...typically BBers train beyond the point of conentric failure and
incorporate so called 'principles' to increase 'intensity' (obvioulsy in
the BBing sense) with high volume....
...Microtrauma (sarcomere popping) is mainly the result of the eccentric
portion of the lift which you find a lot of bodybuilders emphasize...
powerlifting is different, yes the loads are much superior but how often
do powerlfters train to the point of failure? or even beyond...also the
amount of volume that is performed for individual muscles is much less
...As such the muscular adaptations that result from these modes of
training are different (sarcoplasmmic and myofibrillar
hypertrophy?!?!?)...
To reduce soreness an adequate warmdown is neccessary as this will help
clear residual Lactic acid...as Freddy said in his post his soreness
diminished after a workout this possiby could be the result of lactic
acid that had cleared....
I dont think that Bodybuilders should train a muscle that is sore to the
point of failure as this will lead to macrotrauma over
time...powerlifting is different in that it is not the goal of a
powerlifer to increase the size of individual muscles but to increase
the load lifted...if soreness is present eccentric work needs to be
limited...
...This also highlightes the need for a decent warm down routine
incorporating mobility work and stretching....
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Date: 02/06/03 07:35 PM
Author: deadguy
Subject: RE: DOMS
Reading these posts and reflecting on my routines has made me realize
two important factors in my soreness.
I rarely, if ever, do the same movements in a two week period. I
emphasize negative movements as well as differing angles of
concentration in each exercise i do. I feel these methods cover all
bases and the muscle will be broken down in every area. Yes, I have
been focusing on the BBing aspects of lifting. Failure is reached on
every exercise, with one or two forced reps occuring frequently.
Pecs...the highest amount of soreness week in and week out by far.
Strong tri's, mediocre delt strength, weak pecs. The stretch mentioned
earlier at the bottom of the moveet is crucial to my soreness. DB
days..less soreness afterwards. BB days...quite a bit more.
Warm down periods..rarely do I "cool down" after an intense workout.
In cutting cycles, I follow high-rep workouts with stationary bike
rides. I do know that during these periods, I experience less soreness
after a week or two of these workouts. The first week is pure hell due
to the sudden switch in programs.
What i'm saying is, the points you all brought up have attributed to
the soreness i experience. As long as it is not a hinderence to
growth, I will not complain or change anything.
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Date: 02/06/03 08:19 PM
Edited: 02/06/03 08:19 PM
Author: Freddy
Subject: RE: RE: DOMS
That workout would definitely leave me sore.
First, Deadguy, before I say anything, JS always taught me to ask
myself (and others) one important question: "Does it work?"
What are your goals? I mean specific goals. My goal is to press 300#
raw, natually (as a gym lift) within the next month or two. I have a
strict plan to make this happen, and it will happen soon.
What are you goals...and be specific. Then, evaluate what you have
to do to get there...whether its gain 5 pounds in a certain amount
of weeks/months, or raise a specific lift by so much.
Get a plan, and make sure it works. Don't rely on "da pump" to make
you big and strong.
If this style of training has been meeting your goals...then don't
change it. However, if it hasn't, than don't get apathetic. Find the
changes that need to be made, and make them.
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