MESO-Rx Bodybuilding Ask William Llewellyn

BBC3 · #1 (**permalink**) 11-28-2007, 12:19 AM

OK, I have been on test cyp for about 6-7 months now. I am going to try to come off. I AM NOT GOING TO PCT, unless can not be avoided.. (Everyone is on their feet about now). PLEASE. Tell me why I should, and what to expect, and look out for, IN A NUTSHELL!!! No one around here seems to know how to judge necessity for this, at least on a snapshot approach.

Please, I don't want to hear, "because I have to". No slams please. Can we just get a thread going here to demonstrate why it is I should actually have to do this, instead of just blindly accross the board telling everyone to "do their PCT". I am truely concerned about taking these drugs, and I am not convinced that my particular case will require.

Thoughts please...... I would especially like to hear Mr Llewellyn's input PLEASE.

Thanks.

BBC3 · #2 (**permalink**) 02-04-2008, 08:18 PM

Mr. Llewellyn,

Thank you for including my question in your last published responses.

I would like to post my latest test results for all to see. I just want to give the stats verbally, so to speak. Again, this was my first experience with AAS. As a 36 year old male, I would have to say it was very refreshing at the least. Before I began my 8 month cypionate run, I tested out at 302 in the docs office. Sorry if I mislead on publish thread header. I am still reconcilling. I ran T-Cyp only throughout the entire time. The attraction was that I was training for a physically demanding career that required certain physical fitness level to pass the entry exam. Fire Fighter, to be exact. I found myself 36 years old and out of shape with no energy and no ability to recover from a workout. I started out at 500MG/wk for first 4 weeks and of course got impatient. I then went to 800/wk for next 4 weeks and experienced super gym workout strength, but could not even walk (for weight loss) due to extreme pumps. I began this at about 260lbs and gained a little at first to 268lbs, once fully loaded. I eventualy found the sweet spot to be about 250mgs/wk if I was going to remain aerobically active, get fit, and loose weight too. Throughout the remainder of the cycle I stayed at an average of probably about 300-350 mgs/wk ( i am a encourageable). Some weeks i would go as high as 600mg, and there were times that I would simply go about 200-250mgs ( as much as 3 weeks in a row). Finally, in the seventh month, I decided to be tested again. So of course i had a couple of weeks where I had 800mg in a row. I used a pharma brand that I had as it was the most suspect. I tested out at about 2000. i was impressed to see that i felt so great on such a high number. It really made me wonder how high I was the few times that I had so much in me that I had trouble sleeping. Anyway, to conclude, my last 6 weeks were comprised of 500, 500, 400, 250, 125, & 125. I did not do any thing after that. About week 4 out of cycle, I felt like all had normalized. There were a few moments of mental uncertainty, confusion, slight depression, etc. But it all seemed to hit fast and hard, and clear pretty quickly. I was prepared for it, so i toughed it out. About week 8 out of cycle, I had another testosterone check. I tested out at 326, right where i had been before I started. I also has a free test check on this at 68, apparently in Normal range. I just though those were some interesting results considering such a long cycle and no seemingly long term effects... i never really worked out to gain and hold size (on the test), so I cant say have that would have resulted. but for what I was after, it seemed to work great. Also, I did indicate that I did not PCT. However, I did use HCG (5000 iu) about every 2.5 months, inclusive of 4 weeks prior to terminating. It was done mostly in about 10 day sessions. Early and last were in (2) 2500iu injects. I did experiment with breaking it into 10 pins over a 2.5 week period for the middle dose.

LifeSize · #3 (**permalink**) 02-05-2008, 12:22 AM

that's some shit right there.. i'll wait for others to respond..

xsosinglesogoodx · #4 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 10:09 PM

that is some crazy shit man

BBC3 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xsosinglesogoodx

that is some crazy shit man

Please elabortate. What is the crazy about it?? I want your further thoughts on the matter.

LifeSize · #6 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 09:52 AM

Well probably not too crazy. I mean folks have been using steroids a lot longer than they have been thinking of PCT as part of the proper procedure to running AAS. People used to pyramid dose on, and taper off, and they too would be fine.

I'm on my 50ish day of Test/Tren. I plan to ride out my 12 weeks (84 days) on Tren, then drop my dose of Test from 1ml E3D to 0.5ml E3D, i'll stay on this dose for 6 weeks and will probably do a little DNP short 2 week runs. After 6 weeks I plan to go back up to 1ml E3D and probably will include some Dbol for 4 weeks, then 6 weeks after that of Anavar.. I'm not sure how long I plan to stay on, right now it's based on "when I feel i'm near my goals, or ive already gone too far".. 8-12 months seems about right..

did you run anything like arimidex or aromasin during cycle? what about hcg? how do you feel about your testicular atrophy, or is there none?

BBC3 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-20-2008, 11:14 PM

That is some strong cycling!!! Yes, I am pretty sure recovery from test only is just about instant, 4-5 weeks. That was a 9 month test only cycle averaging 300-350mgwk. Some weeks 800 some 150..... Yes there was atrophy. IT started to occur around week 10. They got kinda soft and smaller definitely. THey even started to "suck up" a bit after 4 weeks 800mg in a row while well into cycle. I ran HCG only. 1/3 way through I split 5000iu in 2 doses one week apart. 2/3 through i did 500 iu EOD for 5000 total ius. ANd finally, I did another 2way split at 2500 & 2500. I do believe it was somewhat responsible for my quick return. Of course, I was cross training only. I have never lifted heavy on juice. I imagine it would be nice. But now that I have done it, I can certainly see where one still benefits from things like creatine, and other supps included.!!! It is no superman cape by any means. But then again, I did not even do the Dbol. I am sure that would get me pumped up quick!!. I dont know, I was 300 before I started, so I plan to stay on forever. I am simply not going to live like than anymore. I was just wondering If what I said in the prior post was that far fetched, and maybe I was truley not recovered. I do believe I was. It is just that recovering to my nat level of 300 will not do. Not even for everyday life...

LifeSize · #8 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BBC3

That is some strong cycling!!! Yes, I am pretty sure recovery from test only is just about instant, 4-5 weeks. That was a 9 month test only cycle averaging 300-350mgwk. Some weeks 800 some 150..... Yes there was atrophy. IT started to occur around week 10. They got kinda soft and smaller definitely. THey even started to "suck up" a bit after 4 weeks 800mg in a row while well into cycle. I ran HCG only. 1/3 way through I split 5000iu in 2 doses one week apart. 2/3 through i did 500 iu EOD for 5000 total ius. ANd finally, I did another 2way split at 2500 & 2500. I do believe it was somewhat responsible for my quick return. Of course, I was cross training only. I have never lifted heavy on juice. I imagine it would be nice. But now that I have done it, I can certainly see where one still benefits from things like creatine, and other supps included.!!! It is no superman cape by any means. But then again, I did not even do the Dbol. I am sure that would get me pumped up quick!!. I dont know, I was 300 before I started, so I plan to stay on forever. I am simply not going to live like than anymore. I was just wondering If what I said in the prior post was that far fetched, and maybe I was truley not recovered. I do believe I was. It is just that recovering to my nat level of 300 will not do. Not even for everyday life...

I need to research the long term ill effects of HRT.. I need blood work, but im pretty sure i'm naturally low. you're totally right about living like that..

I plan to start HCG in a week or two, around week 8.. 500iu 1x a week .. till PCT..

BBC3 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 09:36 PM

That sounds like a good idea. I would like to run the HCG for a while like that. It has some crazy long half life (not to mention doing subQ slows absorbtion to some extent). I think once a week would be good. Let me know how it works after you been doing it for a while!!

LifeSize · #10 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC3

That sounds like a good idea. I would like to run the HCG for a while like that. It has some crazy long half life (not to mention doing subQ slows absorbtion to some extent). I think once a week would be good. Let me know how it works after you been doing it for a while!!

I'm actually changing it to 1000iu a week, since my amps are 5000iu. Take 4 weeks off, then run another 5 weeks at 1000iu daily.. continue like this as long as i'm cycling.. it looks like im in it for the long haul..