HCG after cycle or during?

[GEORGE SAVVIDES]

Hi there,
Is it better to use HCG after the cycle as PCT or during the cycle to prevent the side effect before it happens?

[eleven11]

Hope its ok to answer in this sec.
All my cycles now include HCG during, (250-300ius EOD or E3D) some do 500iu every 4-5days.
Started this 2-3yrs ago after many yrs of cycling and IMO its the only way to go. Less shutdown during and much easier recovery after..........11

[GEORGIE12]

thanks for your answer...i read Anabolics 2007 and William suggests using HCG after the cycle....why didn't he says use it during the cycle?
For me makes sense to use it during the cycle to avoid the side effect...do you think that Wiliam has any reasons for suggesting HCG after?I would like to hear hiw perspective on that..

[Ironhorse]

I use it during . I start it around the 6th week at 500iu EW, sometimes 750iu EW. Youre on the right track. Dont wait for testicular atrophy to happen, prevention is what youre shooting for. As 11 said, its so much easier to recover.

[GEORGIE12]

hey ironhorse,
thanks for your reply...so basically HCG is an injectable?How often should i inject it?Are there any side-effects for using it?

[solo47]

Originally Posted by GEORGIE12

hey ironhorse,
thanks for your reply...so basically HCG is an injectable?How often should i inject it?Are there any side-effects for using it?

You didn't know it was an injectable?

Have you researched the product at all, Georgie Porgie? Did you know it's made from hormones found in pregnant women's urine?

Read the stickies above especially those to do with PCT (post cycle therapy). HCG is recommended after the last injection of your cycle, usually about 500iu/ED for 10 days before beginning regular PCT protocol. Most of us have discovered that (as the musclebound gentlemen above say) using about 500iu every fourth day during cycle prevents loss of testicular mass. At the end of cycle, you'd increase the dose for 10 days.

It comes in a white crystalline powder that must be mixed with sterile or bacteriostatic water to make a solution that is then injected using a slin pin (insulin needle) either IM (intra-muscular) or sub-q (under the skin).

No side effects beyond significantly upping your hormone levels, both andro and estro. Good to be using Nolvadex or Arimidex at the same time to counteract the sides from too much estrogen hormones. Many of us find our libido (sex drive) gets spring fever with HCG use and some say the way it induces an increase in one's own testosterone production actually helps with muscular gain (especially when external testosterone injections are already taking place).

I hope this information does not conflict with what the two experts here would tell you.

Solo

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by solo47

You didn't know it was an injectable?

Have you researched the product at all, Georgie Porgie? Did you know it's made from hormones found in pregnant women's urine?

Read the stickies above especially those to do with PCT (post cycle therapy). HCG is recommended after the last injection of your cycle, usually about 500iu/ED for 10 days before beginning regular PCT protocol. Most of us have discovered that (as the musclebound gentlemen above say) using about 500iu every fourth day during cycle prevents loss of testicular mass. At the end of cycle, you'd increase the dose for 10 days.

It comes in a white crystalline powder that must be mixed with sterile or bacteriostatic water to make a solution that is then injected using a slin pin (insulin needle) either IM (intra-muscular) or sub-q (under the skin).

No side effects beyond significantly upping your hormone levels, both andro and estro. Good to be using Nolvadex or Arimidex at the same time to counteract the sides from too much estrogen hormones. Many of us find our libido (sex drive) gets spring fever with HCG use and some say the way it induces an increase in one's own testosterone production actually helps with muscular gain (especially when external testosterone injections are already taking place).

I hope this information does not conflict with what the two experts here would tell you.

Solo

That took me back as well. Definately needs to do alot more research before he starts injecting unknown substances into his body. Other than that, solo nailed it as usual!

[GEORGIE12]

thanks for the replies guys....basically i am not thinking of trying AAS until after 9-12 months from now....i am just educating myself in the topic this period of time so when i start the cycle i will be informed about all the drugs i am going to use....

[Ironhorse]

Excellent idea bro. What are your stats?

[GEORGIE12]

hi there ironhorse,

i am 23 years old, 1.83m tall and i weigh 85kg.(in 2 months of using Anabolic x-factor i gained 7kgs!!) i may have also gained fat but i think not too much.My bodyfat was 18% last time i checked ( 2 months ago)....i have been training for 1.5 years(i trained for 3 years in the past) and since 2 months ago i am following Ian King's programs(Get Buffed I book if you are familiar with that) and i am seeing great results.

I gained 7kg in 2 months using x-factor eating 2800-3000 kcals per day/6 meals...and i wonder if i try AAS for 2 months how should i gain??

[eleven11]

Originally Posted by GEORGIE12

thanks for the replies guys....basically i am not thinking of trying AAS until after 9-12 months from now....i am just educating myself in the topic this period of time so when i start the cycle i will be informed about all the drugs i am going to use....

Well I will say thats very smart thinking, read and learn everything you can BEFORE you start.
I haven't read the '07 version so Im not sure his reasoning behind waiting.
I just know that I took the advise of someone on here who is a Doc. (swale) about using small amounts during to prevent any shutdown at all, also if used during cycle there is not reason to use higher doses at end of cycle before PCT, and IMO never go over 2,000ius in a wks time, thats where shutdown or sides can occur.
even after you learn all you can and decide to start there will still be some trial and error as you gain experience over the yrs but reading everything you can will minimize that........................11