Any ANABOLIC Christians

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

Its not silly at all to me because I personally have seen the results with myself and many others, I could give you a hundred different proofs, but to you, it would be just a coincident or some type of human error to begin with.
I have seen healing from cancer at our church even after it was proven she had it from an mri, than proven it was gone a week later with another mri. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there.

That's because there's not really any proof.

HDH

[ElizaF]

This is an amazing thread with some fantasic considered, intelligent and thoughtful answers.

The debate is a valuble one as well but let's not forget the old "Do onto others as you would have others do onto you" (or do not talk to others on this forum as you would not like to be talked to yourself)

and all that sort of old guff....

E.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

So if a man spends most of his adult life abducting, beating, raping and the murdering say...6 or 7 year old girls then when he gets older, regrets it and asks for forgiveness it will all be ok? Then he can be excepted into heaven?

I hope you're not going to say yes

HDH

The answer is yes if he truly repents, Don't forget, you cannot fool God. People BS to get what they want. They can fool Judges Cops Dr's etc. But God, who knows everyone's thoughts, cannot be fooled.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

That's because there's not really any proof.

HDH

You just refuse to believe, because the proof is all around. Even A Blind man can see it.

[needtogetas]

Originally Posted by HDH

That's because there's not really any proof.

HDH

and there is no proof that there is no god ether bro...lets not forget that........so if having no proof means its not true then you saying there is no god is just as not true as me saying there is a god.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by needtogetas

and there is no proof that there is no god ether bro...lets not forget that........so if having no proof means its not true then you saying there is no god is just as not true as me saying there is a god.

There's no proof that there's no leprechauns, unicorns, Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or the Great Pumpkin either

HDH

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

There's no proof that there's no leprechauns, unicorns, Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or the Great Pumpkin either

HDH

There is no "proof" then in any science, history or mathematics.
In science, you look at the balance of the evidence then form your conclusions.

The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.
Then the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel in 70AD, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground! Much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed. Also eye-witnesses of Jesus were targeted and killed. These facts in itself are a testimony of Jesus' existence.

Even with all that, other historical evidences of Jesus include: The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, he mentioned superstitious "Christians " ("named after Christus" which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century.

Also Roman historian Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ along with the earthquake (Extant Writings, 18).

The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover, and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.

Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.

In fact, we can almost completely reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), and did “magic,” while healing many, led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them in Judea, claimed to be the son of God and would return after his death, which his followers believed - worshiping Him as God and wanting him to be the king of Israel.

There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ from both in secular and Biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the 12 apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know is a lie.

HDH, You simply refuse to believe for some reason because the evidence is so completely overwhelming its more than amazing.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

There is no "proof" then in any science, history or mathematics.
In science, you look at the balance of the evidence then form your conclusions.
The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.
Then the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel in 70AD, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground! Much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed. Also eye-witnesses of Jesus were targeted and killed. These facts in itself are a testimony of Jesus' existence.
Even with all that, other historical evidences of Jesus include: The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, he mentioned superstitious "Christians " ("named after Christus" which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century.

Also Roman historian Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ along with the earthquake (Extant Writings, 18).

The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover, and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.

Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.

In fact, we can almost completely reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), and did “magic,” while healing many, led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them in Judea, claimed to be the son of God and would return after his death, which his followers believed - worshiping Him as God and wanting him to be the king of Israel.

There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ from both in secular and Biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the 12 apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know is a lie.

HDH, You simply refuse to believe for some reason because the evidence is so completely overwhelming its more than amazing.

Not true about all of your statement.

Science- Pick up a 7th grade science book and see if you can't make some of those theories work.
History- Sept. 11th.....A day in history with plenty of proof.
Mathematics- Simple as I can put it............Count your fingers and toes (assuming you have all) take 1 hand away. What is left? I'll bet we all have the same answer (except maybe my 11 month old nephew).

How convenient.

The rest is all hear say. We all know why hear say is not allowed in a court of law. The truth is stretched and changes with every telling.

As far as the evidence being completely overwhelming, that's just not true. There is no evidence

HDH

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

Not true about all of your statement.

Science- Pick up a 7th grade science book and see if you can't make some of those theories work.
History- Sept. 11th.....A day in history with plenty of proof.
Mathematics- Simple as I can put it............Count your fingers and toes (assuming you have all) take 1 hand away. What is left? I'll bet we all have the same answer (except maybe my 11 month old nephew).

How convenient.

The rest is all hear say. We all know why hear say is not allowed in a court of law. The truth is stretched and changes with every telling.

As far as the evidence being completely overwhelming, that's just not true. There is no evidence

HDH

I'm not here to change your mind, just answer your questions. But according to you, if it gos beyond your fingers and toes, or happened before you were lets say 6 or 7 years old its all hearsay.
P>S> People get life in prison all the time on hearsay. Thats a fact!

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

I'm not here to change your mind, just answer your questions. But according to you, if it gos beyond your fingers and toes, or happened before you were lets say 6 or 7 years old its all hearsay.
P>S> People get life in prison all the time on hearsay. Thats a fact!

You're right, I don't believe in things that I have no solid proof of. I can't make myself believe in something that I don't. It is something that I have thought about for many years.

Actually, people don't go to prison because someone's neighbor said that they committed a crime and then weren't there to testify. They go to prison because of overwhelming evidence against them weather they are guilty or not.

You're ok in my book because you stand up for what you believe and that shows character.

HDH

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

You're right, I don't believe in things that I have no solid proof of. I can't make myself believe in something that I don't. It is something that I have thought about for many years.

Actually, people don't go to prison because someone's neighbor said that they committed a crime and then weren't there to testify. They go to prison because of overwhelming evidence against them weather they are guilty or not.

You're ok in my book because you stand up for what you believe and that shows character.

HDH

So do you have character for standing up for your beliefs, now don't come back, LOL Just kidding.
I can only plant the seed, I can't make it grow. By the way who does make it grow?

[dennis]

HDH..forgive me for not responding sooner..i spent an awesome day yesterday with my wife and little girl..those 2 are awesome ! i wanted to reply to several of your questions or statements aimed towards me.
You keep saying there is no proof ...lawyers have studied history and the bible and came up with overwhelming proof that the bible is factual..even some atheist have done the same thing and converted to christianity.The old testament proves the new testament is true through prophesy.
You made a comment about "if that is what you are taught that is what you believe'' not true in all cases..i was raised in a church home and taught at young age about christianity.i can honestly say I was a doubter like yourself even though i had been "taught".After i left home i ran as far as i could from church..I ran wild for over 10 years..it was at that time i hit rock bottom and the holy spirit started working on me.Then and only then did I believe..and God tells us this.."he will reveal himself to every man"..I am glad I was hurting enough to accept him at that time.
You also say that the stories in the bible are fairy tales and just stories.....again not true..even atheist know the bible has good historical info and facts..they just do not believe all the bible has to say.And once again if you read the old testament then the new you will see that the writers knew exactly what was going to happen in the future and recorded it before it happened.
You said that the rewards in life would come from just being a good person...bro i love you and hope you will have a change of heart one day...you seem to have alot of class and education..you are just where I was many years ago being a non believer.Thinking good people go to heaven because they do good things is the downfall of many a "good " person.
You also said something like"we are fearfull of God so we do good"..that is not how we feel..fearfull to us means respectfull and reverant of our lord..I am not scared into being saved at all.I am not ready to die yet because of my love of the worldy thing here(which is a sin) but if I died today i know i will be with my saviour for eternity. I really wish we could hang and lift together for several months..i think we would get along good..plus me and my friends could witness to you while we trained !Role..thanks for your in depth explanations and answers..you are trully blessed and a christian soldier...d

[role model]

Originally Posted by dennis

HDH..forgive me for not responding sooner..i spent an awesome day yesterday with my wife and little girl..those 2 are awesome ! i wanted to reply to several of your questions or statements aimed towards me.
You keep saying there is no proof ...lawyers have studied history and the bible and came up with overwhelming proof that the bible is factual..even some atheist have done the same thing and converted to christianity.The old testament proves the new testament is true through prophesy.
You made a comment about "if that is what you are taught that is what you believe'' not true in all cases..i was raised in a church home and taught at young age about christianity.i can honestly say I was a doubter like yourself even though i had been "taught".After i left home i ran as far as i could from church..I ran wild for over 10 years..it was at that time i hit rock bottom and the holy spirit started working on me.Then and only then did I believe..and God tells us this.."he will reveal himself to every man"..I am glad I was hurting enough to accept him at that time.
You also say that the stories in the bible are fairy tales and just stories.....again not true..even atheist know the bible has good historical info and facts..they just do not believe all the bible has to say.And once again if you read the old testament then the new you will see that the writers knew exactly what was going to happen in the future and recorded it before it happened.
You said that the rewards in life would come from just being a good person...bro i love you and hope you will have a change of heart one day...you seem to have alot of class and education..you are just where I was many years ago being a non believer.Thinking good people go to heaven because they do good things is the downfall of many a "good " person.
You also said something like"we are fearfull of God so we do good"..that is not how we feel..fearfull to us means respectfull and reverant of our lord..I am not scared into being saved at all.I am not ready to die yet because of my love of the worldy thing here(which is a sin) but if I died today i know i will be with my saviour for eternity. I really wish we could hang and lift together for several months..i think we would get along good..plus me and my friends could witness to you while we trained !Role..thanks for your in depth explanations and answers..you are trully blessed and a christian soldier...d

Your right dennis good point, I was brought up to believe evolution and I don't now. I was brought up Catholic and I'm not now, because of evidence I found out about there teaching not to be true. You are also right about the submission part, then and only then are the flood gates opened.
Some people who don't understand seem to look at that as weakness, but its not.
Jesus said,
Lk 5:32 I have not come to invite the self-righteous to a change of heart, but sinners to repentance.

Psalm 35 7 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and then he shall bring it to pass
"This is the work of God"

[HDH]

Well fellas, instead of my usual rebuttal to the posts I think I will just step out (I'll try to anyways) and say if it makes you happy to believe then be happy

HDH

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

Well fellas, instead of my usual rebuttal to the posts I think I will just step out (I'll try to anyways) and say if it makes you happy to believe then be happy

HDH

I here ya Brother, we could go on forever about this. But for me some things just feel right in your heart and you run on instinct, and thats what were both doing in our own way.