Any ANABOLIC Christians

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by dennis

Reinhart..listen to yourself bro " I never was much of a believer "..are you saying you believe or do not believe ? You cannot have it both ways.Jesus says he will spit those out of his mouth that do not know him.You always seemed like a sensible guy before...I would be more than glad to as well as the other christian brothers on here to explain salvation to you if you ever get curious.God does not say we can live our lives the way we want to.We have the right to our own free will but that leads to death and destruction.Our life here on earth is but a spec of sand on the beach when compared to eternity.I suggest you live your life for God here on earth and confess jesus as your saviour and be prepared to live eternity with him.I am suprised jasthace has not got on here yet and tried to slam us.It is always interesting to go back and read prior post's from athiests on here and see just how bad their attitudes are..these guy's sound miserable.I have found peace on this earth and will follow my LORD>

Dennis, i respect all peoples opinions and i never judjed anyone on his beliefs. It's my right not to believe in something. I've done my homework on that and i'm pretty sure about the path i'm following. To be more precise, i'm more of an agnostic rather than an atheist. I can't deny something which i don't know what it is. That's what i'm saying.

[HDH]

OK, I guess I'll get it started for the non believers. I don't believe in god. I am not posting to bash other board members nor do I expect to be bashed. This is my opinion. I think it's like a santa for adults, only instead of no presents, it's "your going to hell". I think the bible is just a bunch of storys that were passed down and exaggerated with every telling until they seemed un natural or "godly". Think about how storys or rumors change in todays world in just a few days time. Back then didn't they beat and torture people into belief? Then came christianity. A way to believe without getting you head cut off for doing something wrong. As a matter of fact christians got tortured, beaten and killed for not believing in the same god in the same way as everyone else. Just doesn't add up to me. I don't need to be scared into living a decent life. I believe in what I can see, feel, taste and touch. Remember, I'm still the same guy that I was yesterday before this post

HDH

[Reinheart]

I believe in more, "tangible" things if you prefer.

[role model]

HDH, Reinheart, So you don't believe that there is a spirit of some sort inside you?

[Bob Smith]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The only thing more pathetic than a Christian is a Mormon.

Foreman, once a douchebag, always a douchebag.

[role model]

Originally Posted by Bob Smith

Foreman, once a douchebag, always a douchebag.

LOL

[Bayou230]

Originally Posted by 375Ranger

Just wondering if there were any other christians on the boad. sometimes I feel guilty for cycling, more so because I don't tell my wife. She thinks it's more impressive to reach your potential naturally with what God has given us. Anyway, just curious if there are any other guys here that are saved and have similar experiences.

Ranger,
Thanks for posting this thread. I want all readers of following post to be aware that what I write here is not to be viewed as anything but a self assessment... an examination of ideas as they pertain to me as I pondered Ranger’s question. In no way do I consider myself worthy of judging others on this issue. While not a user of AAS, I can tell you I inwardly wrestle with two things regarding it and will refrain from it until I can work them out to my satisfaction.

• The fact that it is illegal. Whether or not I believe the law is right or wrong, I’ve never subscribed to the notion that the law is for everyone except me. Or, that all is ok as long as I don’t get caught, either by the law or those whose opinions of me I value.
  
• The concern that the use of AAS somehow constitutes an unfair advantage over others. One that may cause me to have to hide or be dishonest about it.

Is the use of AAS a sin? I don’t know. So I decided to look up what the early church called the “seven deadly sins” to see what about it may cause a sense of guilt or sin. Here’s information on that subject from the Wikipedia. Items set off in quotes are direct quotes from that source. The Points to Ponder are my own reflections as I read through the text.

The Seven Deadly Sins
Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Gluttony
“Modern views identify Gluttony with an overindulgence of food and drink, though in the past any form of thoughtless excess could fall within the definition of this sin. Marked by unreasonable or unnecessary excess of consumption, Gluttony could also include certain forms of destructive behavior, especially for sport [or for the fun/entertainment of it], or for its own sake. Substance abuse or binge drinking can be seen as examples of gluttony therefore.”

Point to ponder:
Does the behavior in question necessitate excess consumption of time and/or resources for my own gain while neglecting the needs of others?


Greed
“Greed is, like Lust and Gluttony, a sin of excess. However, Greed (as seen by the Church) applied to the acquisition of wealth in particular. Thomas Aquinas wrote that Greed was "a sin against God, just as all mortal sins, in as much as man condemns things eternal for the sake of temporal things." In Dante's Purgatory, the penitents were forced to kneel on hard stone and recite the examples of avarice and its opposing virtue. "Avarice" is more of a blanket term that can describe many other examples of sinful behavior. These include disloyalty, deliberate betrayal, or treason, especially for personal gain, as the case when someone lets oneself be bribed. Scavenging and hoarding of materials or objects, theft and robbery, especially by means of violence, trickery, or manipulation of authority are all actions that may be inspired by greed.”

Points to ponder:
Can it be seen as an act of disloyalty or a deliberate betrayal of others, or my own ideals, for personal gain?

Sloth
“The modern view of the vice, as highlighted by its contrary virtue zeal/diligence, is that it represents the failure to utilize one's talents and gifts. For example, a student who does not work beyond what is required (and thus fails to achieve his or her full potential) would be slothful.”

Points to ponder:
Can any thing in the situation be seen as a failure to utilize my own talents and gifts to the fullest?

Envy
“Like Greed, Envy is characterized by an insatiable desire, they differ, however, for two main reasons: First, Greed is largely associated with material goods, whereas Envy may apply more generally. Second, those who commit the sin of Envy desire something that someone else has which they perceive themselves as lacking.”

Points to ponder:
Is the motivating factor a desire to attain / obtain that which others have and I believe I find lacking in myself?

Pride
“In almost every list Pride is considered the original and most serious of The Seven Deadly Sins, and indeed the ultimate source from which the others arise. It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to give compliments to others though they may be deserving of them, and excessive love of self (especially holding self out of proper position toward God.”

Points to ponder:
While a measure of self-pride can be worthwhile, has pride caused me to have feelings of self-importance? Has pride driven me to do something that causes me to misplace myself in relationship to God and others?

In closing, I post this with great humility and respect for all who visit this thread. If anyone finds the above offensive, I beg your pardon. I wish you well on your spiritual quest. All are welcome to comment on any of the above.

Best regards,
B230

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by role model

HDH, Reinheart, So you don't believe that there is a spirit of some sort inside you?

Not really. Just to be honest with you bro...

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by role model

Then why post here its obviously not for you.

I was about to ask you the same question.

[prodigy06]

As a matter of fact christians got tortured, beaten and killed for not believing in the same god in the same way as everyone else

Yep. And as soon as they got enough power to enforce their will on others they been doing the same thing to everyone else. They started with murdering the Pagans of Europe and forcing them to convert and it continues today with "one nation under God". I mean, damn look at yourselves, posting random scripture passages written by some jerk off, posting the 7 "deadly sins".. wow, just... wow.

[dennis]

First let me say..I love all you guy's as my brothers..but non believers think about this :what if you are right and I am wrong..no big deal,we all die and rot in the ground.BUT..what if I am right and you are wrong ??? Have you ever been wrong before ?There is a supreme being who created all you see and cannot see..Think about all the systems in your body that have to work together so you can live..how do you think that happened?How is our planet designed to sustain life?

[prodigy06]

There is a supreme being who created all you see and cannot see

The concept of God existed long before Christianity or even its precursor Judaism. Christianity and in fact all mainstream religions of today are just a sick perversion of that concept.

[ForemanRules]

Christians have a horrid and brutal history of hate and murder, they are disgusting and should be fed to the lions

[thick]

true. As for me, i say my prayers every night but am very turned off by most churches. Filled with hypocrites

Originally Posted by propeine

Role Model, I stand corrected. The good Lord did give us free will and we all choose to abuse it.

[thick]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Christians have a horrid and brutal history of hate and murder, they are disgusting and should be fed to the lions

[Mr. Shoulders]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The only thing more pathetic than a Christian is a Mormon.

Not a very nice thing to say..were you locked away in Bible camp as a child???lol

[role model]

Originally Posted by prodigy06

Yep. And as soon as they got enough power to enforce their will on others they been doing the same thing to everyone else. They started with murdering the Pagans of Europe and forcing them to convert and it continues today with "one nation under God". I mean, damn look at yourselves, posting random scripture passages written by some jerk off, posting the 7 "deadly sins".. wow, just... wow.

Your talking about a few hundred year period during the mid evil period who twisted the Word of God to there own benefit. The USA dosen't force Christianity on nobody. I'm glad it stirs you up so much because obviously if it was all nonsence it wouldn't bother you so much.

[prodigy06]

Originally Posted by role model

Your talking about a few hundred year period during the mid evil period who twisted the Word of God to there own benefit. The USA dosen't force Christianity on nobody. I'm glad it stirs you up so much because obviously if it was all nonsence it wouldn't bother you so much.

Why I'm bothered so much has nothing to do with God. And it wasn't just "a few hundred years" the effect of it is still going on today. When that happened it brought an end to the native European religions and with that pretty much destroyed European cultural identity. The Heathens of Germany, Northern Europe and Scandinavia stop worshiping the old Germanic Gods and adopted a new Semitic religion therefore rewriting all of history. Now all human kind came from two Jews, Adam and Eve, Israel is the promise land and the sons and daughters of Europe worship a foreign God. Christianity destroyed European culture. What about our religion? What about our culture? And yes, it is the fault of many Europeans leaders for this happening. But once the ruling class adopts a new religion you either adopt it as well or become an out cast or even worse dead. Your religion killed my ancestors and destroyed their culture... see now why I'm bothered so much?
And to say the USA isn't a modern day Holy Roman Empire is just silly. Christ following Europeans founded the country, all presidents have been European christ followers, and "one nation under God", which was written by a European christ follower, is written on every piece of money we do or do not have.
Now be a good chistian and dismiss eveything I just said with the words "THAT'S BULLSHIT!"
Amen.

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Mr. Shoulders

Not a very nice thing to say..were you locked away in Bible camp as a child???lol

The truth is not always nice