Any ANABOLIC Christians

[dennis]

Ranger/Role model..good job guy's..very factual evidence.Isn't it good to know that we will all be together again in heavenly peace..then we can go ask Jesus the hard questions that really bother us now.I was raised in church as a kid but hated it..and did not get it either.As soon as i was old enough to not go I ran as far as possible from it.Later in life in my early 30's i came back to it..the spirtit hit me hard the 1st time I walked back into the church...I have been back weekly ever since.I got real close to death about 5 years ago..I was on a form of chemo and the crap was physically killing me.God took that time to heal me,teach me,and talk to me.he spoke to me as plain as we are talking now..it was almost like an out of body experience..no one can ever take that away from me.There were so many praying for me..the elders of the church annointed me with oil and laid hands on me..we prayed that God would do a miracle and heal me..not only did he do that but he also talked me through the whole ordeal.He also showed me where my ministry needed to be.I am able to share that testimony w/ anyone who will listen.The peace and joy I have recieved since accepting Christ is not comparable to anything I ever had before.

[jmills]

I think its wonderful that people have a faith and are dedicated to a sysyem of beliefs that encourage them to experience life in a way they find rewarding. Sometimes i wish I could feel that way. I find it fascinating how people can justify the way they live and the actions they take (for instance, the use of illegal substances) and how they can incorporate those justifications into their belief systems. It seems to me that this is a fluid mindset, and peole can (and do) give themselves permission to break some "rules" but at the same time go on and on about how wonderful it is to live within some other "rules". Now, before I get flamed remember I'm not saying anyone is wrong for doing or saying anything....like Role said you row your boat I'll row mine (I am soooo stealing that one Role).
and i appreciate it when people are concerned for others....you guy's saying you will pray for others is a testament to your faith and love for fellow man. And i love you for it. IMHO there are only two "rules" you should follow:
1) Love God as you understand God (doesn't have to be a diety, could be an ideal or a philosophy or the earth or your penis....just love something other than yourself and give yourself permission to give said thing a presence in your life that you can experience as love)
2) Love your neighbor (not because you have to, but because by doing so you will not come into conflict with people over trivial things and because the only way you can love your neighbor is if you first are capable of loving yourself and soooo much flows from that simple thing that if you love yourself and know that you are a miracle (with or without a diety, either way we are a pretty damned interesting species and all of us have a contribution to make if we will just give ourselves permission to do so)

So you see, I think we are (as a species, nations, cultures etc) just getting all worked up over DETAILS.....99.9999999% of us want and give 99.999999% the same experience of our lives.

[jmills]

Alin sucks

[dennis]

J mills..well written bro..I do not want to come off as a hypocrite trying to justify my aas usage.I am a christian and have been convicted by the spirit several times about this very subject.It is usually having to do with the manner i obtain the gear..by not being completely honest with the wife..moving money around to buy it etc...I am not trying to justify it by any means..hell I can even admit for several reasons i should not be doing it. This is something that will be dealt with on my judgement day.Peace bro

[role model]

Originally Posted by dennis

Ranger/Role model..good job guy's..very factual evidence.Isn't it good to know that we will all be together again in heavenly peace..then we can go ask Jesus the hard questions that really bother us now.I was raised in church as a kid but hated it..and did not get it either.As soon as i was old enough to not go I ran as far as possible from it.Later in life in my early 30's i came back to it..the spirtit hit me hard the 1st time I walked back into the church...I have been back weekly ever since.I got real close to death about 5 years ago..I was on a form of chemo and the crap was physically killing me.God took that time to heal me,teach me,and talk to me.he spoke to me as plain as we are talking now..it was almost like an out of body experience..no one can ever take that away from me.There were so many praying for me..the elders of the church annointed me with oil and laid hands on me..we prayed that God would do a miracle and heal me..not only did he do that but he also talked me through the whole ordeal.He also showed me where my ministry needed to be.I am able to share that testimony w/ anyone who will listen.The peace and joy I have recieved since accepting Christ is not comparable to anything I ever had before.

I also ran from God and totally ignored his existence for over 30 years of my life. I was a hell raiser with the Milwaukee Outlaws, and wouldn't think twice about anything, I just did it. We got in brawls at bars then when the owner called the cops on us we would come back a few weeks later and torch the place.
Getting locked up was the best thing that ever happened to me, I'm glad I found the Lord in prison where I was stopped in my tracks, to really think about things..
Heb 9:27 As it is appointed unto men, once to die, but after this, the judgment: and unto them that look for Him, shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[dennis]

Glad to call you my brother Role ! So many find the Lord while incarcerated..sadly though many forget him the second they are free.Some of us have to hit absolute rock bottom before we accept Christ as our saviour.I was hooked on coke for about 3 long years and did whatever or whoever to get it..I wanted to quit and tried many times but to no avail.Right before i was aved I prayed earnestly 1 time for God to take away the temptaion and urger for coke..he answered my prayer instantly..i have never went near that crap again..never..it was like a huge anvil had been lifted off my chest..shortly after i gave my life to christ and have been stumbling along ever since!

[role model]

Originally Posted by dennis

Glad to call you my brother Role ! So many find the Lord while incarcerated..sadly though many forget him the second they are free.Some of us have to hit absolute rock bottom before we accept Christ as our saviour.I was hooked on coke for about 3 long years and did whatever or whoever to get it..I wanted to quit and tried many times but to no avail.Right before i was aved I prayed earnestly 1 time for God to take away the temptaion and urger for coke..he answered my prayer instantly..i have never went near that crap again..never..it was like a huge anvil had been lifted off my chest..shortly after i gave my life to christ and have been stumbling along ever since!

Well I can assure you I won't be one of those that forget Him, I'm more into the Word now than then. I was one of those that had to hit rock bottom before I could get it threw my thick head that "my way" wasn't working. Smith Wigglesworth is a preacher from the early 1900's that really opened my eyes to what true faith is. That was one of my sticking points "what is faith" I recommend reading one of his many books. One of my favorite sayings from him about the bible is "God said it, I believe it, that settles it." No wavering in him.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

What about Noah?
Do you really think that he built a boat that big and got 2 of every species of animal /bug aboard?

Then what, the incest thing again?
HDH

How big was Noah's Ark?

(Gen. 6:14-16) Says, "And God said unto Noah… Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt though make in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of… the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side there of; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it."

The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 570 modern railroad stock cars.

How many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?

According to Ernest Mayr, America's leading taxonomist, there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.

God only provided the Ark for the protection of humans and land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures. A huge number of animals would not need to be taken aboard the Ark because they are water dwellers.
Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.
In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropod are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.

That would leave no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark.

Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry over 50,000 animals, filling only 34% of the ark.

This would leave an additional 362 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.

How were the animals gathered?

Genesis account indicates that God gathered the animals and brought them to Noah inside the ark two by two by Divine guidance. You must understand God can do this.

Then what, the incest thing again?

When God made Adam and Eve there were no genetic weaknesses back then, and they began to multiply. The gene pool would have been TOTALLY pure at the beginning, and genetic flaws were likely to have been negligible until the water canopy/thermal blanket was destroyed in the Flood. Thats when God made laws governing all forms of incest. Hope this helps.

[prodigy06]

Thats when God made laws governing all forms of incest

Is masterbation incest? Cause if it is, I be incestin' my ass off.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

How big was Noah's Ark?

(Gen. 6:14-16) Says, "And God said unto Noah… Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt though make in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of… the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side there of; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it."

The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 570 modern railroad stock cars.

How many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?

According to Ernest Mayr, America's leading taxonomist, there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.

God only provided the Ark for the protection of humans and land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures. A huge number of animals would not need to be taken aboard the Ark because they are water dwellers.
Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.
In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropod are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.

That would leave no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark.

Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry over 50,000 animals, filling only 34% of the ark.

This would leave an additional 362 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.

How were the animals gathered?

Genesis account indicates that God gathered the animals and brought them to Noah inside the ark two by two by Divine guidance. You must understand God can do this.

Then what, the incest thing again?

When God made Adam and Eve there were no genetic weaknesses back then, and they began to multiply. The gene pool would have been TOTALLY pure at the beginning, and genetic flaws were likely to have been negligible until the water canopy/thermal blanket was destroyed in the Flood. Thats when God made laws governing all forms of incest. Hope this helps.

How long did he work on this boat?

Still not buying the brother - sister -aunt - uncle - cousins - mothers - fathers all sleeping together

HDH

[propeine]

While I believe it possible under the hand of God, it sure would be weird. You could wind up your own grandpa like that one song.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

How long did he work on this boat?

Still not buying the brother - sister -aunt - uncle - cousins - mothers - fathers all sleeping together

HDH

It took 40-60 years to build, does not say precisely.
Now I must go play softball.
Later Bros

[role model]

Just a note, seems like everyone is asking questions about the old testament. 85% of the meat in the bible, as far as I'm concerned is in the new testament.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

Just a note, seems like everyone is asking questions about the old testament. 85% of the meat in the bible, as far as I'm concerned is in the new testament.

I think the questions seem to point to the old testament because of trying to understand how it all came about.

What is the difference between the old and the new?

HDH

[dennis]

In my opinion the biggest difference between the old testament and the new testament is in the old testament jesus was not born yet.In the old testament there was just precise prophesy about him coming and how he would die and be resurected.Non believers..think about what is going on this week and next weekend..read about it in your bible.I challenge any of you to just read the book of Matthew this week.I was at large christian function yesterday.A big easter celebration at large ranch where thousands of guests come out for the day for huge carnival and picnic.The guy that owns this ranch is a christian..he pays out of his own pocket for the entire gig..he does it every year..food,rides,band...for about 15 minutes a preacher talks to the crowd about easter and what jesus did..he shares the gospel with all who will listen.5 people were saved yesterday there ! And no telling how many others will be saved down the road from this.I was a volunteer there and got to be a part of this..awesome experience guys.I wish role,ranger and the other christians on board here could have been there to help out.I am going to church now to give thanks and worship my lord and Saviour Jesus Christ..to all have a great day..and read matthew !
On a side note..the old testament sets up a time line and direct geneology where anyone can trace back ancestory and easily prove that these people all existed..the greatest history book anywhere.When you get into the prophesies it is really interesting and will get you to thinking about things.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by dennis

In my opinion the biggest difference between the old testament and the new testament is in the old testament jesus was not born yet.In the old testament there was just precise prophesy about him coming and how he would die and be resurected.Non believers..think about what is going on this week and next weekend..read about it in your bible.I challenge any of you to just read the book of Matthew this week.I was at large christian function yesterday.A big easter celebration at large ranch where thousands of guests come out for the day for huge carnival and picnic.The guy that owns this ranch is a christian..he pays out of his own pocket for the entire gig..he does it every year..food,rides,band...for about 15 minutes a preacher talks to the crowd about easter and what jesus did..he shares the gospel with all who will listen.5 people were saved yesterday there ! And no telling how many others will be saved down the road from this.I was a volunteer there and got to be a part of this..awesome experience guys.I wish role,ranger and the other christians on board here could have been there to help out.I am going to church now to give thanks and worship my lord and Saviour Jesus Christ..to all have a great day..and read matthew !
On a side note..the old testament sets up a time line and direct geneology where anyone can trace back ancestory and easily prove that these people all existed..the greatest history book anywhere.When you get into the prophesies it is really interesting and will get you to thinking about things.

You're a funny guy. I live for a challenge but not if it's reading the bible

I read most of it at one time many years ago but it got so redundant and unbelievable (to me) that I didn't finish it.

HDH

[prodigy06]

..the old testament sets up a time line and direct geneology where anyone can trace back ancestory and easily prove that these people all existed..the greatest history book anywhere.

So, everyone is jewish? lol. To bad different races of people can be traced back before this "history" book was even written or judaism even was concieved.

When you get into the prophesies it is really interesting and will get you to thinking about things

Kinda sad you need to read other peoples garbage to get you to get you to start thinking about things, YOU BIG HEEB!

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH</