Any ANABOLIC Christians

[prodigy06]

Can we just go back to beating up on Alin?

Yea, I'm still waiting on some stealth damn it

[role model]

Originally Posted by prodigy06

If satan didn't exist in your belief system, would you still follow it? Seems to me satan has been the only thing that kep you guys in business all these years. Where in the ancient religions there was no mention of an "evil god" and people thrived, instead of just fearing god.
Throw out christ, bring back Thor

Satan does exist so I guess were still in business.
No mention of an evil god, because it was run by an evil god.
If someone is going to sell you bogus gear is he going to tell you in advance?
As far as thriving the bible says everything is good for a season than it falls. Just like the USA will also eventually.
You only fear God if you continually do wrong otherwise there is no need to fear.

I was sentenced to 6 years in the state penitentiary for something I did but turned my life around after I lost every thing and gave myself to the Lord. I ended up only serving 16 months and I believe God did it for me cuz it was definitely out of my hands. Now I will believe in Him till the day I die.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

I think the score card is off. I have made some pretty valid points that nobody has been willing to discuss.

HDH

I addressed you in a earlier post about you wanting proof, for anyone to think that the human being is the most intelligent being in the universe and we only know everything by proof is a very close minded person. Because there are more things that we don't know than do know.

P.S. and the earth is round just like the bible said so over 6000 years ago contrary to what was just believed only 500 years ago.

[role model]

Alin Sucks!

[HDH]

Originally Posted by role model

I addressed you in a earlier post about you wanting proof, for anyone to think that the human being is the most intelligent being in the universe and we only know everything by proof is a very close minded person. Because there are more things that we don't know than do know.

P.S. and the earth is round just like the bible said so over 6000 years ago contrary to what was just believed only 500 years ago.

What you don't seem to understand is that my mind isn't the one closed and that's why I enjoy this discussion. In other words you don't really have any answers just like me.

Can you tell me where god came from? Did he create himself? He had to come from somewhere right?

Didn't the Greeks worship many gods?
Didn't they have a god for everything?
Didn't people worship cows?
Didn't Indians do rain dances to please their gods for rain?
The list goes on and on. Seems silly doesn't it?...................It's really no different than what is being said here.

Can you explain how Adam and Eves children had children?
Do you really think that a snake talked?
Why don't all the many miracles of the bible happen today?
Is it because they never really happened?

What about Noah?
Do you really think that he built a boat that big and got 2 of every species of animal /bug aboard?
Then what, the incest thing again?

I don't think so.

This is all bigger than any of us and goes back longer than 6000 years. There is so much out there beyond our own little tiny worlds existence that we can't even begin to understand. It was not comprehendable to anyone so our intelligent ancestors came up with many different gods to try to explain what they had no answers for until they finally settled for one.

PS. I was referring to the silly things that people believed hundreds of years ago when they didn't really know

BTW- When was the bible written? (I really don't know)

HDH

[375Ranger]

HDH- You do bring some interesting points of view, many of your questions I have asked myself...I am no scholar so I don't have all the answers, I don't think you will find anybody that does. For me, it just comes down to Faith. I believe we were created by an intelligent and powerful force ( God), who manifested himself in the flesh as Jesus. He was concieved by the virgin Mary and became a Jewish Rabbi who preached love, compassion and gave his life on the cross to fufill the prophecy written in the bible and save mankind. We are given a "free moral agency", we can choose between right and wrong. We can make our own decisions.

I have to be honest, it does bother me to see someone who by all means is a good and helpfull person, a person to whom I hold in the highest regard and respect greatly.....not saved. I will be praying for you and others here.

And the reason I say this is not because I think Im better than anyone, or I have all the answers, but because I want you guys to experience the same grace, mercy, and favor. who doesn't want more favor in all their endeavors? I know I do.

P.S. Miricals do happen all the time, media just very seldom if ever will report the story. I can post many examples if anybody wants to read them.

[375Ranger]

A great book on this whole matter is called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He is an atheist who sets out to discredit Jesus and Christianity. He interviews many scholars from both sides of the fence. He is so overwhelmed by the scientific evidence that supports bible prophecy and Jesus, he becomes a believer. A true and GREAT book.

[Orangejuicer]

A close friend of mine, and fellow self prescriber once joking asked the "Can God make a rock He couldn't lift?" and another friend almost immediately replied "That depends, is he bulking or cutting right now?" We all had a hearty chuckle

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

What you don't seem to understand is that my mind isn't the one closed and that's why I enjoy this discussion. In other words you don't really have any answers just like me.

Can you tell me where god came from? Did he create himself? He had to come from somewhere right?

Didn't the Greeks worship many gods?
Didn't they have a god for everything?
Didn't people worship cows?
Didn't Indians do rain dances to please their gods for rain?
The list goes on and on. Seems silly doesn't it?...................It's really no different than what is being said here.

Can you explain how Adam and Eves children had children?
Do you really think that a snake talked?
Why don't all the many miracles of the bible happen today?
Is it because they never really happened?

What about Noah?
Do you really think that he built a boat that big and got 2 of every species of animal /bug aboard?
Then what, the incest thing again?

I don't think so.

This is all bigger than any of us and goes back longer than 6000 years. There is so much out there beyond our own little tiny worlds existence that we can't even begin to understand. It was not comprehendable to anyone so our intelligent ancestors came up with many different gods to try to explain what they had no answers for until they finally settled for one.

PS. I was referring to the silly things that people believed hundreds of years ago when they didn't really know

BTW- When was the bible written? (I really don't know)

HDH

I'm glad you have many questions because the reason why so many people don't believe is because they don't care and if something doesn't make sense at first they dismiss everything it stands for. Know one knows everything and I only have 2 years of study under my belt.
I'll answer the last question first, and don't know if I should fill up 15 more pages to answer the other 15 questions but here goes.

When Was The Bible Written?

The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors. The Bible is a compilation of 66 separate books, divided into two primary divisions: the Old Testament (containing 39 books) and the New Testament (containing 27 books). It is believed that all of the books of the Bible were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

The first five books of the Old Testament (known as the Pentateuch or Torah) was written by Moses during the forty years that the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness (1450 - 1410 B.C.). The twelve historical books of the Old Testament continue to record the history of the people of Israel under the leadership of Joshua, through the period of the Judges and the reign of the kings of Israel. The books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther record the history of Israel following its period of captivity under Babylonian rule. The historical books span the history of Israel from 1050 - 465 B.C.

The books of Job, the Psalms, the Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon are considered the poetical books of the Old Testament. Scholars have been unable to determine with any specificity when Job was written. Based upon the manners and customs recorded in the text, many believe that the book was written during the time of the Patriarchs of the faith. The individual Psalms, comprising the entire collection, were written from the days of Israel's Exodus to its restoration after the Babylonian captivity. Many of the Psalms were written by King David during his reign over Israel. The entire book was compiled between 1000 - 300 B.C.

King David's son, Solomon is credited with writing Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, during his reign (971 - 931 B.C.). The seventeen Prophetical books of the major and minor prophets span Israel's history from 700 - 450 B.C. For 400 years after the writing of the Book of Malachi, the Lord was silent and the Old Testament was closed.

It is generally agreed that the Book of Matthew was the first Gospel written and that it was written between A.D. 50 and 75. Of the four Gospel's, John's is considered to have been the last one written, around A.D. 85. The Book of Acts, a historical account of the establishment of the early Christian church, is believed to have been written by one of the Apostle Paul's associates, around A.D. 62 (near the end of Paul's imprisonment in Rome).

The Pauline Epistles (the Apostle Paul's letters to the early church) were authored between A.D. 50 - 67. The author of Hebrews is unknown, but the book is commonly thought to have been written around A.D. 70. The epistles of the other Apostles were written between A.D. 48 - 90.

The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is believed to have been penned by the Apostle John between A.D. 70 - 95.

[role model]

Now about the odds of everything in the bible predicted ahead of time, that has all ready came true.

The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.

The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

[dennis]

Ranger/Role model..good job guy's..very factual evidence.Isn't it good to know that we will all be together again in heavenly peace..then we can go ask Jesus the hard questions that really bother us now.I was raised in church as a kid but hated it..and did not get it either.As soon as i was old enough to not go I ran as far as possible from it.Later in life in my early 30's i came back to it..the spirtit hit me hard the 1st time I walked back into the church...I have been back weekly ever since.I got real close to death about 5 years ago..I was on a form of chemo and the crap was physically killing me.God took that time to heal me,teach me,and talk to me.he spoke to me as plain as we are talking now..it was almost like an out of body experience..no one can ever take that away from me.There were so many praying for me..the elders of the church annointed me with oil and laid hands on me..we prayed that God would do a miracle and heal me..not only did he do that but he also talked me through the whole ordeal.He also showed me where my ministry needed to be.I am able to share that testimony w/ anyone who will listen.The peace and joy I have recieved since accepting Christ is not comparable to anything I ever had before.

[jmills]

I think its wonderful that people have a faith and are dedicated to a sysyem of beliefs that encourage them to experience life in a way they find rewarding. Sometimes i wish I could feel that way. I find it fascinating how people can justify the way they live and the actions they take (for instance, the use of illegal substances) and how they can incorporate those justifications into their belief systems. It seems to me that this is a fluid mindset, and peole can (and do) give themselves permission to break some "rules" but at the same time go on and on about how wonderful it is to live within some other "rules". Now, before I get flamed remember I'm not saying anyone is wrong for doing or saying anything....like Role said you row your boat I'll row mine (I am soooo stealing that one Role).
and i appreciate it when people are concerned for others....you guy's saying you will pray for others is a testament to your faith and love for fellow man. And i love you for it. IMHO there are only two "rules" you should follow:
1) Love God as you understand God (doesn't have to be a diety, could be an ideal or a philosophy or the earth or your penis....just love something other than yourself and give yourself permission to give said thing a presence in your life that you can experience as love)
2) Love your neighbor (not because you have to, but because by doing so you will not come into conflict with people over trivial things and because the only way you can love your neighbor is if you first are capable of loving yourself and soooo much flows from that simple thing that if you love yourself and know that you are a miracle (with or without a diety, either way we are a pretty damned interesting species and all of us have a contribution to make if we will just give ourselves permission to do so)

So you see, I think we are (as a species, nations, cultures etc) just getting all worked up over DETAILS.....99.9999999% of us want and give 99.999999% the same experience of our lives.

[jmills]

Alin sucks

[dennis]

J mills..well written bro..I do not want to come off as a hypocrite trying to justify my aas usage.I am a christian and have been convicted by the spirit several times about this very subject.It is usually having to do with the manner i obtain the gear..by not being completely honest with the wife..moving money around to buy it etc...I am not trying to justify it by any means..hell I can even admit for several reasons i should not be doing it. This is something that will be dealt with on my judgement day.Peace bro

[role model]

Originally Posted by dennis

Ranger/Role model..good job guy's..very factual evidence.Isn't it good to know that we will all be together again in heavenly peace..then we can go ask Jesus the hard questions that really bother us now.I was raised in church as a kid but hated it..and did not get it either.As soon as i was old enough to not go I ran as far as possible from it.Later in life in my early 30's i came back to it..the spirtit hit me hard the 1st time I walked back into the church...I have been back weekly ever since.I got real close to death about 5 years ago..I was on a form of chemo and the crap was physically killing me.God took that time to heal me,teach me,and talk to me.he spoke to me as plain as we are talking now..it was almost like an out of body experience..no one can ever take that away from me.There were so many praying for me..the elders of the church annointed me with oil and laid hands on me..we prayed that God would do a miracle and heal me..not only did he do that but he also talked me through the whole ordeal.He also showed me where my ministry needed to be.I am able to share that testimony w/ anyone who will listen.The peace and joy I have recieved since accepting Christ is not comparable to anything I ever had before.

I also ran from God and totally ignored his existence for over 30 years of my life. I was a hell raiser with the Milwaukee Outlaws, and wouldn't think twice about anything, I just did it. We got in brawls at bars then when the owner called the cops on us we would come back a few weeks later and torch the place.
Getting locked up was the best thing that ever happened to me, I'm glad I found the Lord in prison where I was stopped in my tracks, to really think about things..
Heb 9:27 As it is appointed unto men, once to die, but after this, the judgment: and unto them that look for Him, shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.