How's it feel to be a demonized "drug addict"?

[Grizzly]

We're all familiar with the recent "crack down" on sources, bodybuilders and AS in general. We are a demonized cross section of society. We are evil, terrible people who have no sense of decency and don't care about our health. Why else would we pump terrbile, addictive drugs into our systems?

Yes, we know this to be false. We know all the good things about AS and how they have been over hyped as being an instant killer. But, still, this is how we are viewed. In fact, most of us deserve it.

Think of how some of you view recreational drug users. I don't know how many times I've seen posts saying, "atleast we're not using pot or coke to get high. all we want is some more muscle." Great. Wonderful. Kudos to you. Guess what? All the recreational drug user wants is to have some fun.

Yes, it's true, some people do get addicted and do all sorts of terrible shit to get their drugs. Guess what? So do AS users. Maybe no one has stolen a television to pay for their AS(though I bet it has happened), but there are thousands of guys who suck dick, cater to gay fetishists and scam/reverse scam(also known as STEALING) to pay for their drugs.

Look at the females in the sport. How many of them resort to taking naked pictures to make a living? Do you think they said when growing up, "I want to exercise a little bit and develop a great body so that I can pose for naked pictures so that guys can jerk off to me. Wow, that is such a dream job!" No, they don't make shit in their chosen profession, so they have to resort to gettting a "second job".

I guess what I'm trying to say is, how do you like it?...you fucking crack heads!

Don't take offense to the crackhead remark. I'm only likening you to what the rest of society likens us to. It's just like being a dude who smokes a few doobies. To us they are evil. To them and the rest of society we are evil. What do we both have in common? The desire to alter soemthing about our reality; whether it be our state of mind or our state of physicality.

[Grizzly]

No, you're fine. I know you are correct by sheer quantities. There are many, many, MANY more heinous crimes committed by rec drug users. However, I would bet that the percentages are somewhat similar. A lot more people do "drugs" than there are people who do AS, so the crimes commited by the AS using population, though paltry when compared in number, may be similar in a relational study. (did that make sense?)

[Grizzly]

You only understand because we speak the same language. Maybe we should enlist the aid of a third party.

[Kayz]

I agree with both of you guys to be quite honest. When I am on cycle, I feel like I am "addicted" to AAS. I feel on top of the world both physically and emotionally. Fortunately, I don't come crashing down when my cycle ceases.

My cousin on the other hand is an oxy/heroin addict. He has been in jail probably 4-5 times for stealing and doing stupid shit while high. In fact, he is serving 7 months right now for violating his probation.

About 2 years ago, my cousin and my aunt (his mom) got into an argument. His mom did not feel comfortable having her 7 year old grand daughter in the house so she was going to keep her for a few days (children services refused to do anything because Caley was not in immediate "physical danger"). Now understand that my cousin and his wife (who is also an oxy head) does not give a fuck about his daughter.......never has!!!

But on this day, he wanted to be super dad....nad he wasn't gonna let his mom take his girl. So, when my aunt grabbed CAley, my cousin punched his own mother closed fist dead in the fucking face..knocking her out.

My cousin and his wife drug my aunt into the bathroom and beat her head into the ceramic floor until they cracked her skull!!!

Caley called 911 to save her grandma!!

So in that respect, I can't relate him to an AAS user as I've never known an AAS user to do that.

[freak]

It feels wonderful.j/k

I think main stream citizens feel to each his own, and really wouldn't mind a person who smokes a doobie,drinks,or hits some dbol's.I think it's the religous fanatics who are caught up in the sensationalism published by the media that get carried away,and jump on the bandwagon with their crusades.

This hype and drug busts will continue for awhile.But like everythingelse it'll come down off the front page later on.And all the politicians will move on to their next thing to conquer,which will put the locals/feds pointing in another direction on another mission.

[Kayz]

I think most of the negative press/media and all the bullshit hype is driven by politicians, both local and federal. But, I think it is driven more by local politicians than anything.

The local sheriff, DA, prosecutor, and the police chief love to stand in front of a TV camera and tell the public what they have just "uncovered". It gives joe public a sense of "wow, they are really doing something to make my family safer".

I know several cops in my area who juice regularly and turn a blind eye to dealers in my area.

[Grizzly]

I'd say it's a mix of everyone. The people on this board are Jack Public, and very many here have no problem saying, "leave us alone. Get the "real" drug users. they're terrible people."

[Joe West]

its all a matter of perspective.

one thing i will say is that a part of the reason ppl think juicers are bizarre and unbalanced is because of needle use. no one gives a shit about diabetics cause thats part of the deal. but voluntarily using a needle on yourself will get you more weird looks than cross dressing at a klan rally. youll get the same exact look as if you were telling them you were banging heroin. with aids and shit needles are evil and they dont give a shit that you prep the area and never re-use the stuff. and who can blame them?

you ask the average stoner about needle use for any reason, and theyll look at you like youre nuts.

it boils down to personal enjoyment. they smoke a gar and get lifted, they enjoy it. just like we enjoy muscles. i never understood why so many ppl have a throbbing engorged hard on for pot heads like they do on some of the BBing boards im apart of. like any of us has the room to talk.

on the subject of appearance: to an average person in america hearing some of us go on and on about looks, calling ppl fat and stuff, we look like egotistical shallow assholes. and im not talking about among just fat ppl, in general. its sad to say, but it seems like alot of the community at large has to tear someone else down to raise themselves up. and most of these ppl are well into adulthood.

ill do my thing, you do yours, and at worst between us is amutual vibe of who gives a shit. just because i skirt around physical culture doesnt make me anything else than a person who associates in those circles.

[thebignipper]

From having spoken (yes spoken) to several guys from the Boards, I've found that about half oft hem used to do rec drugs. Of these guys, several were busted and did time. This is where they started to work out. So it seems to me that we in general are in one way or another trying to create a different world for ourselves than what is naturally givern to us. Not sure if this makes sense to some ofy ou, but Ij ust thought I would toss my thoughts into the ring.

Mike

[macattack]

Hey anyone who knows me personally and would make a choice between my AAS use and me being back on drugs would definetly pick the AAS i was a DEMON on drugs and alcohol

[Millard Baker]

Good post.

AAS use by bodybuilders is, for the most part, another form of recreational drug use.

People often argue about the nuances and differences among different recreational drugs. There may be those rec drugs that have more profound psychoactive effects, those with greater addictive potential, those that are more 'dangerous', etc. Whether AAS belong on the US Scheduled Drug list is a legitimate question. Whether legal recreational drugs i.e. alcohol and nicotine are more dangerous than AAS is a legitimate question.

But at the end of the day AAS is another recreational drug.

[gman67]

Originally Posted by administrator

Good post.

AAS use by bodybuilders is, for the most part, another form of recreational drug use.

People often argue about the nuances and differences among different recreational drugs. There may be those rec drugs that have more profound psychoactive effects, those with greater addictive potential, those that are more 'dangerous', etc. Whether AAS belong on the US Scheduled Drug list is a legitimate question. Whether legal recreational drugs i.e. alcohol and nicotine are more dangerous than AAS is a legitimate question.

But at the end of the day AAS is another recreational drug.

Define recreational...also would this still apply if AS wasn't a scheduled substance??

[Grizzly]

I might be wrong in my surmising, but I think he's saying that most dudes use AS to look better for no other reason than shits and giggles. The only non-recreational use would be for competitive bodybuilders and athletes who HAVE to use these substances in an effort to succeed in their chosen sports. Especially...no, extra, extra, extra-especially in bodybuilding.

[Millard Baker]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I might be wrong in my surmising, but I think he's saying that most dudes use AS to look better for no other reason than shits and giggles. The only non-recreational use would be for competitive bodybuilders and athletes who HAVE to use these substances in an effort to succeed in their chosen sports. Especially...no, extra, extra, extra-especially in bodybuilding.

Yes, non-competitive bodybuilding which accounts for most AAS use.

[gman67]

Gotcha. Thanks.