Hydrocodone + Benzo Habit, Need Advice

[Buff Diddy]

I would just like to get some feedback from some bro's who might be or have been in the situation I'm in now. I don't drink, smoke or do any recreational drugs except for two things. Those things being hydrocodone( or stronger opiate if available and benzo's xanax, valium, ativan etc.) I am starting to question whether or not I need to take some action to stop this hobby of mine. I've figured out how to filter the tylenol out of the vicodin/norco/lortabs, which I know is the really bad part. But still I want to live a healthy lifestyle and its starting to make me wonder what the hell I'm doing. I would say I take anywhere from 60-100mg of hydrocodone and maybe 2 10mg valium a day. I still go to the gym often and eat right but I know I need to cut back of that stuff. This has been going on for probably like a year now and I just don't know what to do. Any advice, please.

[mrpg13]

Originally Posted by Buff Diddy

I would just like to get some feedback from some bro's who might be or have been in the situation I'm in now. I don't drink, smoke or do any recreational drugs except for two things. Those things being hydrocodone( or stronger opiate if available and benzo's xanax, valium, ativan etc.) I am starting to question whether or not I need to take some action to stop this hobby of mine. I've figured out how to filter the tylenol out of the vicodin/norco/lortabs, which I know is the really bad part. But still I want to live a healthy lifestyle and its starting to make me wonder what the hell I'm doing. I would say I take anywhere from 60-100mg of hydrocodone and maybe 2 10mg valium a day. I still go to the gym often and eat right but I know I need to cut back of that stuff. This has been going on for probably like a year now and I just don't know what to do. Any advice, please.

Everyone is different when it comes to physical dependance, but your not using that much hydrocodone, or benzo's. I would taper your doses down as low as possible, and then when your down to something like 20mg hydrocdone/ day go cold turkey, and see how you feel. You won't feel great, but if you can tough it out for 3-6 days you will be fine. Whatever you do, don't get on methadone, it's worse than any PK you will take. If you cant do it cold turkey look in to suboxen. It will help you alot, but I still would go the cold turkey route.

[bigla]

you need to get help asap. i was with a friend this past weekend who was addicted to the same stuff, sad story, i'm trying to help him out in anyway that i can, but i'm no doctor. i hate to say it but you need to check yourself into a drug rehab, trust me get help before thing's get out of control. If their is anything i can do to help LMK...take care

[Mark Kerr]

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[Buff Diddy]

Thanks for the advice. I found it helpful. There's no way I'm going to a drug rehab. Screw that crap. Plus that stuff goes on your record and then you can't accually get the meds when you really need them. I'm not too concerned about the benzos and see them as an acceptable and superior substitute to alcohol. Plus I belive I had an underlying anxiety disorder which I am properly medicating. It's the opiates that can be problematic. I think it's the fact that I'm coming down off my cycle it's the holidays, which I find depressing especially being single right now. I think I just need to cut back on the hydrocodone. The thing is though is that I've been trying real hard to get oxycontin and that might happen soon. If I start sniffing that stuff I'll probably get really hooked. Only advantage to that stuff is no tylenol. Anyways thanks for the sincere help and I'll let you know if I need anymore help. Thanks again.

[sc redneck]

The thing is though is that I've been trying real hard to get oxycontin and that might happen soon. If I start sniffing that stuff I'll probably get really hooked.

yea,,,,, ya think ?

[protester]

just a side note: opiate withdrawals suck, yes. but, benzo withdrawals can (and often are) fatal. if you get a bad enough benzo habit, and you try and go cold turkey, you will likely suffer grand mal seizures and very possibly death.

it's bizaar to me that doctors do not understand much about the drugs the prescribe. i guess it's because they spend so much time learning how to identify and treat problems, that being a pill handbook might be overload.

anyway, that's the way it is.

[Buff Diddy]

Originally Posted by sc redneck

The thing is though is that I've been trying real hard to get oxycontin and that might happen soon. If I start sniffing that stuff I'll probably get really hooked.

yea,,,,, ya think ?

Lol, Yeah I know that was a stupid statement. Don't worry I'm not that dumb (at least I don't think so...) I'm going to switch from the valium to xanax. Valium stays in your system way too long and has been making it a real bitch to get out of bed at a reasonable time.

[Bodyfreak]

Well bro, my past drug habit started the way you are...I got some hydros from the dentist because of a toothace and I started taking one a day and then 2-3-4-5 until I really really like the feeling, once those ran out I got more and more until I realized these are not strong enough, then I went to oxys, I would cook and shoot 5 8o mg oxys ed, and realized my habit was uncontrolable and costing me big money, so I went to heroin and it all went downhill from there.....My weighttraining and body I have worked for was gone, my fiancee was lost, my job was lost, my life was gone for about a year, in the meantime I was shooting heroin and cocaine every other hour and when I ran out, the withdraws were worse than anything you will ever have in your entire life...I got help and have been doing the best ever, I am the biggest I ever was and I learned alot from that expereince...Stop it now while its too late, a year is a long time on hydros so you might have some withdraws, if you do just stick it out and get done, they might last 4 or 5 days and feel like a nightmare but you have to stop now or you will be right were I was, guranteed.....My best freind who had the problem I had never got help and passed away from an overdose, thats when it hits you how precious life is.......If you need help then get it, if not do it on your own, whatever it takes just get help...Dont worry about your dam record, it could save your life...

[Buff Diddy]

Damn Bro that's some serious shit you were into. I can't even imagine mainlining 5 80mg oxys. Shit one of those bad boys would have me high as a kite for most of the day. I might even barf off just one. But I see what you're saying about how these things can spiral out of control. I've stuggled with and beat many addictions in the past, cigarettes, weed and ghb (all at different times). I think I have enough self control to force myself to do whatever it takes to get me where I want to be. I've come a long way with my bodybuilding even before juicing it up. I only 20mg of hydro and 5mg of valium so far today. I'll do 20 and 5 more as soon as the vicodins are done going through the filter to remove the tylenol. Thats really the biggest tragedy about vicodin addiction. People don't realize but the tylenol is whats hard on your body. The max short term dose is 4 grams and the long term dose is going to lowered to 2 grams. Thats 8 or 4 vics a day. Some people pop like 20+ a day. Thats 10g of tylenol. That will mess you're liver up bad. Thanks for sharing your story with me, it helps.

[*Bj*]

hey dude, i was just curious how you can filter out the tylenol from a hydrocodone? I've never heard of that. Second, I've seen Vicodin addictions and they are not pretty. It will get progressively worse unless you take serious action. Prove to yourself that you can quit or taper down. Take 30 pills, put them aside, and throw the rest in the toilet. Are you strong enough? What scares me dude is that you called it a "hobby". Good luck. Bj

[chris gordon]

well bro sounds like you know you have a problem, but you are still trying to rationalize your behaviors...you are not a medical professional so how can you possibly know if you are properly medicating yourself or not? one addict to another i hope you have a moment of clarity, and get the help you need....there is no stigma to being a clean addict , but a using one is a differnt story

[protester]

Originally Posted by *Bj*

hey dude, i was just curious how you can filter out the tylenol from a hydrocodone? I've never heard of that. Second, I've seen Vicodin addictions and they are not pretty. It will get progressively worse unless you take serious action. Prove to yourself that you can quit or taper down. Take 30 pills, put them aside, and throw the rest in the toilet. Are you strong enough? What scares me dude is that you called it a "hobby". Good luck. Bj

google "cold water extraction" and you will find the method for getting rid of the APAP.

[Buff Diddy]

Yeah it's really easy to do. A little time consuming but worth it. The whole process takes about an hour. I've read many different ways to do it. I've assimilated them all and came up with a method that works well and is convientent plus I can explain the little details that these instructions leave out. PM me for detailed advice. Oh and by the way I'd have to be crazy to throw them down the toilet when I can get 5 bucks each for em!

[Ronin_]

Benzo wise

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

http://www.benzo.org.uk/

This cant sub for a doc's advice however. Also selling the drugs - you are just perpetuating the cycle of misery.