Look at what this idiot wrote me

[plmuscle]

We have to examine this rationally. I have never argued that prescription medication is not harmful; in fact, I hold the converse opinion. The fact is I have discussed medication extensively with physicians. What I have learned is that there is no free ride with prescription drugs. Take prescription ibuprofin for instance, a drug of which I have intimate familiarity. This is an excellent anti-inflamatory, but it will damange internal organs after prolonged use. When I take it I can expect some relief but, concurrently, I know that it will also harm my kidneys and liver. But one would never take this drug without medical necessity. Steroids when prescribed for treatment of illness are in the same category. They will treat illness/symptoms but with a cost. This is a classic trade-off, harmful effects are accepted for a better quality of life, albeit a most likely a shortened one. Steroids will cause harmful effects, and this is a medical fact!

The problem with steroids that are ingested illegally is that they are not taken for treatment of illness. Instead they are taken for the preceived benefit of the user, and this is the same excuse offered by many illegal drug abusers. Self-medication using illegal drugs or prescription drugs illegally has no legal defense. God knows how many times I have heard drug abusers tell me they need pot, sedatives, speed, etc., for their perceived benefit. When I caught them, they went to jail. The fact is they were drug abusers subject to applicable state and federal laws. Steroids abusers fall into this category. If anyone, cops included, take any prescription drug without a prescription, s/he will subject themselves to introduction to the criminal justice system.

[esco]

who sent this too you? btw-many cops take gear! maybe this dude lives in a vaccuum.

[plmuscle]

That's what I tried to explain to this idiot. He just kept rambling off at the keyboard about how bad steroids are and they will KILL YOU,lol. I told him the food he eats everyday will kill you, shit OBESITY is a disease now,lol.

[Adogg4]

Originally Posted by plmuscle

That's what I tried to explain to this idiot. He just kept rambling off at the keyboard about how bad steroids are and they will KILL YOU,lol. I told him the food he eats everyday will kill you, shit OBESITY is a disease now,lol.

Lol I bet that dipshit was sitting in front of his computer with a cold beer and a bowl of potato chips while he wrote that

[muslhed1971]

Seems like some pretty closed minded thinking.

[esco]

Originally Posted by Adogg4

Lol I bet that dipshit was sitting in front of his computer with a cold beer and a bowl of potato chips while he wrote that

lol! probably right...

[Bob Smith]

Originally Posted by Adogg4

Lol I bet that dipshit was sitting in front of his computer with a cold beer and a bowl of potato chips while he wrote that

Krispy Kremes and a glass of whole milk.

[Grizzly]

I sort of agree with frosty(oh shit, what's the world coming to? lol). Aside from the "they will kill you part" he was correct. You will get arrested for them and there is no legal defense. Cops may use them, but they do have to hide it.

[john_phillips]

Originally Posted by plmuscle

shit OBESITY is a disease now,lol.

If you thought health insurance/medical cost WERE high...just wait until mainstream American catches wind of this!!!

We are the most obese country around. And now? We are going to be footing the bill for gastric bypass surgeries and other "solutions" for obesity. (And don't flame me, I have loved ones who are obese)

How do you like them apples!?

(Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack)

[Adogg4]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't get it. What makes him an idiot?

well bro first of all he is comparing steroid users to recreational drug addicts, one of his sentences makes it sound like he thinks steroid users are all addicts themselves

"God knows how many times I have heard drug abusers tell me they need pot, sedatives, speed, etc., for their perceived benefit. When I caught them, they went to jail. The fact is they were drug abusers subject to applicable state and federal laws. Steroids abusers fall into this category"

and hell he talks about steroid users breaking the law and whatnot, I am sure this fucker has driven his car 100mph in a 65 lane or broken some law of some sort

also, he talks about ibuprofen damaging the organs after prolonged use...well any "rational" person will not take ibuprofen for a prolonged period of time and expect to be healthy, it is meant to be taken occassionaly and within boundaries

same with gear, if u abuse it year round he may have a point, but I have yet to see a study that shows someone dying from doing 2 moderate cycles a year

[Adogg4]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Speeding is a summary offense; steroid possession is a felony. Big difference.

There are a lot of steroid users that might as well be junkies...they just use gear. I don't see a problem with the comparison.

And AAS isn't meant to be taken by healthy individuals, and especially not at the doses people take.

Did he say you will die from 2 cycles? If he's saying that 2 cycles may shorten your life, do you know this to be false? Where are the studies showing it to be false?

who cares man, the guys a douchebag either way stop defending his lame ass LOL

[nj juice]

Originally Posted by Adogg4

Lol I bet that dipshit was sitting in front of his computer with a cold beer and a bowl of potato chips while he wrote that

mmmmmm, beer and chips I miss those.......

[joeycrabcakes]

i'm with you, frosty. Dont get me wrong, i'm on the same team as everyone here, but facts are facts. We all talk like there's nothing wrong with taking this stuff, but we all cant be that naive. We know (or SHOULD know) the risks, health-wise AND legal-wise, of taking this stuff. ANY drug is not supposed to be taken without specific medical needs that can be addressed by the use of these drugs. I'm sorry, but i'm sure only a handful, if any of us take gear for medical necessity. It sounds like he was just stating facts. And yes, commiting a traffic infraction is very different from using federally controlled substances. Now i'll step off my podium, and reiterate that i'm on your team, fellas, so go easy on me.

[Mark Kerr]

Originally Posted by plmuscle

The problem with steroids that are ingested illegally is that they are not taken for treatment of illness.

Not all Rx drugs are designed to be treatments for illnesses. Propecia, Botox and Accutane come to mind immediately. Those drugs are merely for aesthetic use only, which is why none of the above are covered by insurance (usually). Hell, we can even take the argument so far that women are allowed to be given female hormones for purposes other than treating or curing an illness (i.e. Birth Control). Therefore, it isnt much of a stretch to say that men should be allowed to use male hormones for purposes other than treating or curing an illness (especially considering the "roid rage" and "toxicity" of injectable testosterone has been repeatedly refuted by scientists.)

Originally Posted by plmuscle

If anyone, cops included, take any prescription drug without a prescription, s/he will subject themselves to introduction to the criminal justice system.

He obviously doesnt know the criminal justice system very well. Depending upon your states laws, most states allow either a 30 or 90 day supply (And I believe Federal Law states 30 day supply, but this is off the top of my head) of non-controlled Rx drugs to be imported for personal use only. So, technically, you can have a Rx Drug without a doctors Rx and be immune from prosecution, as long as it is non-controlled.

Your friend is simply misguided and uneducated.

[Mark Kerr]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't think he meant all prescription drugs are designed for illness, but steroids are, and I think that's the point.

That statement would be incorrect as well. Many steroids were developed specifically for performance enhancement (Dianabol, for example) or more recently, THG. If you research the beginning of androgen treatment, you will be VERY surprised about its genesis. But digressing...

Implied in your clarification about the friends statement, is that a drug, if specifically designed to treat an illness, cannot offer benefits beyond the treatment or cure of said illness. However, there is a drug we all know about that was designed to treat an illness but is now mostly used for purely cosmetic reasons. That drug would be Finasteride. Originally developed as a means of treating an enlarged prostate (under brand name Proscar - 5mg), scientists noticed as a side-effect that it prevented and sometimes reversed Androgenic Alopecia (Male Pattern Baldness). Therefore, the Pharmaceutical companies decided to create a version of Finasteride specifically for Androgenic Alopecia (under brand name Propecia - 1mg). My point being, there is precedent for using a Rx drug for uses other than its specific intent or design.

Side Note: This is why it is more advantageous to get a Rx for Proscar than it is for Propecia (for MPB). Insurance covers Proscar, as it is for treating an actual illness, but insurance doesn’t cover Propecia, as it is for treating a cosmetic deficiency.