Adderall & Paxil

[BBC3]

Just wondering if someone could nutshell the relationship between adderall and htpa. I have been on Adderall for 8 years (usually on and off). I went steady at it over the past year. Now I can take 60mgs and go to sleep!!! Is this affecting my hormone levels. I have supplemented testosterone in the past and now I am prescribed t-cyp for replacement. I was low (300ng/dl) prior to ever using AAS. Also quick question about reaction. I recently started back on Paxil. The other day I injected 2500iu of HCG with test cyp 200mg. I began paxil that day. Adderall already said. Crazy experience. This was all late in the afternoon. By 2 am, I was feeling racy and a little short of breath. I was trying to remain calm and go to sleep. As I was dosing i noticed that I was starting to get jumpy and feeling wierd. Was pretty sure I was about to have some kind of siezure. I got up and paced around. Felt like getty out of control. I looked in the mirror and my pupils were dialated!!!.. About to panic so last resort I took a couple of shots of albuteral to try to neutralized whatever was happening. Seemed to work in about an hour. i had recently been diagnosed with really low T (75ng/dl) due to some crap I was putting in that was not test. Was the re-addition of testostetone to my body increasing seratonin as well? Was this almost a seratonin syndrome?? Can anyone tell me what was happening.??? I

[HeadDoc]

there are so many issues here that it would be too hard to sort them out without labs. Read the sticky thread in this forum to get a list of labs to assess the TRT issues. Ask your doc if you could look at both the neurotransmitter side and the hormonal issues. I agree something strange is going on. Keep coming back and good luck.

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Just wondering if someone could nutshell the relationship between adderall and htpa. I have been on Adderall for 8 years (usually on and off). I went steady at it over the past year. Now I can take 60mgs and go to sleep!!! Is this affecting my hormone levels. I have supplemented testosterone in the past and now I am prescribed t-cyp for replacement. I was low (300ng/dl) prior to ever using AAS. Also quick question about reaction. I recently started back on Paxil. The other day I injected 2500iu of HCG with test cyp 200mg. I began paxil that day. Adderall already said. Crazy experience. This was all late in the afternoon. By 2 am, I was feeling racy and a little short of breath. I was trying to remain calm and go to sleep. As I was dosing i noticed that I was starting to get jumpy and feeling wierd. Was pretty sure I was about to have some kind of siezure. I got up and paced around. Felt like getty out of control. I looked in the mirror and my pupils were dialated!!!.. About to panic so last resort I took a couple of shots of albuteral to try to neutralized whatever was happening. Seemed to work in about an hour. i had recently been diagnosed with really low T (75ng/dl) due to some crap I was putting in that was not test. Was the re-addition of testostetone to my body increasing seratonin as well? Was this almost a seratonin syndrome?? Can anyone tell me what was happening.??? I

2500 IUs of hCG along with 200 mgs of T cyp??? Who the hell is monitoring you? And trying to neutralize this with albuterol, yet another stimulant??? Dude, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths, so you dont kill yourself. If you have a doctor, and he ordered this medley (which I doubt), get a new one. Fast.

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

2500 IUs of hCG along with 200 mgs of T cyp??? Who the hell is monitoring you? And trying to neutralize this with albuterol, yet another stimulant??? Dude, you need to take a step back and a few deep breaths, so you dont kill yourself. If you have a doctor, and he ordered this medley (which I doubt), get a new one. Fast.

The HCG is a one time jolt to keep the size up. That was my idea. I am not ready to permanently shrink the boys. Nor do I plan to. I am just not going to go on at 300ng/dl..... The adderall is mute. I have to eat 60mgs to just be normal.. I can take both in the morning and go to sleep, if I have the day off. The albuteral (inhaler) is a beta blocker and actually shuts you down. It does not act as oral clenbuteral (if that was your thought). I rarely have a need for it.

Appreciate all help. I will try to read on....

[clloyd]

BBC3,

Only my opinion, but based on experience.

I too have taken adderall for a few years (not that high of a dose). I also take Lexapro. I recently started TRT with 800mg of pellets and taking 250iu of hCG eod. Because of testicular atrophy I have recently switched to 500iu e3d.

I can tell you that adderall is nasty. I don't take it as often. My theory is that the dopamine level increases you get from increased testosterone help to combat the need for the dopamine level increases you get from adderrall. I can tell you that when I initially started my TRT protocal that adderrall made me anxious. I would suggest coming down on the adderall. Drink a small cup of coffee in the morning the first day you come down on your dosage. The shortness of breath probably has to do with anxiety (I have been there and been confused thinking it was asthma. Since you are on a good bit of exogenous testosterone, the 2500iu of hCG is too much. From what I have read on the board, I think that dose is wasteful and does more harm than good.

If you had a spike in dopamine levels, you possible dropped your seratonin levels further causing anxiety. The good news is that most of this should pass if you are not going to take that high of a hCG dose again. But again, try coming down on your adderall now that your TT is going up. I find if I take a high dose of adderall that the crash or come down is hard -- I am mentally burned out and so tired that it further increases anxiety because I want to sleep (viscious cycle). Since I have started TRT, I have not taken adderall many days and been fine. Try to differientiate between the clinical function of adderall and your desire to have that "speed" feeling that can be addictive.

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by BBC3

The HCG is a one time jolt to keep the size up. That was my idea. I am not ready to permanently shrink the boys. Nor do I plan to. I am just not going to go on at 300ng/dl..... The adderall is mute. I have to eat 60mgs to just be normal.. I can take both in the morning and go to sleep, if I have the day off. The albuteral (inhaler) is a beta blocker and actually shuts you down. It does not act as oral clenbuteral (if that was your thought). I rarely have a need for it.

Appreciate all help. I will try to read on....

Albuterol is not a beta blocker. It's a topical bronchial dilator, for asthma. Some take it in liquid form to cut up. Why? Because it's a stimulant, no ifs, and or buts. If you're on an MAO, you can't take it.

You may be thinking of attenolol, a classic beta blocker. I am not aware of a beta blocker inhalant, and would be surprised if there is one, as I dont see any benefit to administering it in that fashion.

I think you need to be under a doctor's care and that your current protocol is wreckless and dangerous. End of rant.

I hope you decide to make some changes, so you can live and long and healthy life.

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

Albuterol is not a beta blocker. It's a topical bronchial dilator, for asthma. Some take it in liquid form to cut up. Why? Because it's a stimulant, no ifs, and or buts. If you're on an MAO, you can't take it.

You may be thinking of attenolol, a classic beta blocker. I am not aware of a beta blocker inhalant, and would be surprised if there is one, as I dont see any benefit to administering it in that fashion.

I think you need to be under a doctor's care and that your current protocol is wreckless and dangerous. End of rant.

I hope you decide to make some changes, so you can live and long and healthy life.

I stand corrected. The funinest thing is that I have had two different pharmacist tell me that it is a beta blocker.???!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Somehome it seems to help whenever I get overreved. Maybe it is just the fact that it is easing air flow. I dont know......

[BBC3]

Personally, I am sure that adderall is BAD news. I am compulsive as it is. I am also a dopamine junkie exibited in my love of nicotine. Smokeless... obviously I cant discontinue the nicotine with the adderall around as it encourages.. I AM Stopping the adderall. I may wean. I am not sure. I have only been going steady for 9 months now. That is the longest period ever without a break.!!! I have read interesting things out there about people having sexual disfunction over amphetamines. I now believe it true. Many may not admit this. The dopamine reaction is so strong with adderall, if I take all 60 mgs in the morning, I will actually ejaculate after uninating. Anyone else know about this. I dont think I am beyond repair. But I am definitely going to pay a price for I am guessing about a year!!!!!

[clloyd]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Personally, I am sure that adderall is BAD news. I am compulsive as it is. I am also a dopamine junkie exibited in my love of nicotine. Smokeless... obviously I cant discontinue the nicotine with the adderall around as it encourages.. I AM Stopping the adderall. I may wean. I am not sure. I have only been going steady for 9 months now. That is the longest period ever without a break.!!! I have read interesting things out there about people having sexual disfunction over amphetamines. I now believe it true. Many may not admit this. The dopamine reaction is so strong with adderall, if I take all 60 mgs in the morning, I will actually ejaculate after uninating. Anyone else know about this. I dont think I am beyond repair. But I am definitely going to pay a price for I am guessing about a year!!!!!

Adderall makes you crave nicotine...when I do it, I dip Kodiak all day at work. I think it continues to feed dopmamine. Thesexual functions are from wanting to.....to having trouble with all that norepinephrine shrinking your dick, losing sensitivty, and not being all the way hard. To withdraw, you may have to drink a large cup of coffee in the morning.

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by clloyd

Adderall makes you crave nicotine...when I do it, I dip Kodiak all day at work. I think it continues to feed dopmamine. Thesexual functions are from wanting to.....to having trouble with all that norepinephrine shrinking your dick, losing sensitivty, and not being all the way hard. To withdraw, you may have to drink a large cup of coffee in the morning.

What a coincidence. Kodiak has been clawing my brains out for years. And yes,,, all day long is encouraged by the adderall. You will find no stronger tobacco on the market. Perhaps copenhagen, if you are measuring ounce for ounce. But considering the accidental overpinch factor related to Kodiak, it is by far the strongest..........

[clloyd]

You will notice right of way when you lower you addy dose that your cravings for Kodiak will go down. In fact, you might even notice that when you do take a dip, it won't feel right and you will want to spit it out (of course only to put a new one in a few minutes later - evil stuff that is)

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by clloyd

Adderall makes you crave nicotine...when I do it, I dip Kodiak all day at work. I think it continues to feed dopmamine. Thesexual functions are from wanting to.....to having trouble with all that norepinephrine shrinking your dick, losing sensitivty, and not being all the way hard. To withdraw, you may have to drink a large cup of coffee in the morning.

Norepi and shrinky dick -- NO LIE THERE! The stimulants gave me baby dick, and made it hard to get off. Not Wellbutrin though, which I found helped sexual performance, and allowed me to throw ropes like I was in the rodeo.

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by BBC3

What a coincidence. Kodiak has been clawing my brains out for years. And yes,,, all day long is encouraged by the adderall. You will find no stronger tobacco on the market. Perhaps copenhagen, if you are measuring ounce for ounce. But considering the accidental overpinch factor related to Kodiak, it is by far the strongest..........

I chewed the bear for years, with breaks every 6 months, give or take. No longer. Gave it up cold turkey at the beginning of the year. It's not worth the price, including permanent gum recession, among so many other serious issues. That said, it sure as hell helped my focus and my excessive daytime sleepiness. And it also helps when you want to cut up as nothing reduces hunger better than having a fatty in the great majority of the day.

BBC, I hope you get this stuff under control. It's no way to live. Life is too short.

Best of luck,
J

[BrianEE93]

At least in my experience Paxil gave me bad ED and got so bad I couldn't finish. I got off that devil drug. It made me fat, lazy, and limp. If you need it, you need it. I wouldn't suggest it except in extreme depression or anxiety. Just my experience with over 2 years of use.

[BBC3]

I have heard a lot of negative things about Paxit. I do not understand them. Even the brain swishing and all that is no big deal, kinda fun actually. It only last a few days and one can definitely wean themselves off paxil in 2 weeks flat. The lawsuit is bullshit, and thats why the drug is still available. Paxil works really well for me. I used it few years back for about a year. The only reason I stopped is that I felt I had been on it too long. I am not sure that was the best thing. As far as the ED is concerned, I just wish it would last longer. Sadly, it seems like those sides go away after a couple of months. Maybe they will stay for a while this time???!!! I mean think about it. I only get laid about once a week on avg, and by the time I get it I am so horney it is all I can do not to blow my load. As long as I wait for her, she wants it, but then its been so long (1 week) that I cant "bring it". I LOVE being able to pound her relentlessly for 20-30 mins. She loves it too as long as I give her that week. When you are married you will understand that one.

On the side. I have been on Paxil again for about 7-10 days. Seems like it takes about that long to build up plasma concentration in the blood so it should be in full force soon. What is funny is that this time I am taking 60mgs and loving it!!!.. It is like I was so stressed out that I needed it badly!! It is already helping with my compulsive behavior, definitely removed the stress, and my mood is better than ever. My wife swears I am bi-polar anyway. I think just hypoglycemic a lot. Any way the 60mg was just a loading idea, but it dumbfounds me that I dont feel sides at that level. Another interesting point is that I had tried to get back on it a few times in the past as I thought I was stressed out. Every time I tried to get back on the drug, it knocked me out so bad I could not take it for more than a week. Stress was definitly way beyond that this time. Its funny, but it is really working and making me very content with everything. Go figure.

[BBC3]

To all the kodiak lovers out there. Heres to you!!! People that smoke will never understand. I have done both. Smoking mostly younger and not in at least 5 years, and never again. What a poisonous habit!!!.. OK, with that said, dont I just sound like a stoner point fingers at cig smokers. Smokeless is filthy too. BUT, you have to have done it to understand how much nicotine you get from that stuff. I think a cigarette is about 1mg nicotine. I am guessing a small pinch of kodiak is 10-15mgs. IT IS PURE DOPAMINE IN A CAN!!!! I know that I am mutating the DNA in my mouth and throat, but good news, by refreshed paxil habit and lack of adderall has me so wacked up, that I even forget to take a chaw sometimes, so I am on the right track. If it makes you guys feel any better, I have met a lot a old men that dipped copenhagen. One or two of them told me that they felt the cancer was caused by the flavoring in other brands like skoal, for instance. I believe they were on to something which is why I buy only the best. THink about it. If you buy cheap tobacco, do you think they are really even going to wash the pesticide and herbicide off the leaves??? I am not sure if unburned tobacco leaves really cause cancer, but I will guarantee you those two will. I am not trying to get anyone started back, and I am knocking on wood right now. BUT, you have to admit, it makes sense to pay the big money for good quality. By the way. Kodiak is $6:00/can in Houston area...

Originally Posted by jinxie1

I chewed the bear for years, with breaks every 6 months, give or take. No longer. Gave it up cold turkey at the beginning of the year. It's not worth the price, including permanent gum recession, among so many other serious issues. That said, it sure as hell helped my focus and my excessive daytime sleepiness. And it also helps when you want to cut up as nothing reduces hunger better than having a fatty in the great majority of the day.

BBC, I hope you get this stuff under control. It's no way to live. Life is too short.

Best of luck,
J