Armidex vs Gynecomastia

[Andromeda]

Having been on 20mg Nolvadex for the last 4 months with some success I have just bought my first Armidex which I plan to use instead of the Nolvadex for a while. However buying it was an extremely painful experience with a pack of 30 tablets (1 months supply) costing me $190 !!! (Australian)
Now this is about 4 times as much as a months supply of Nolvadex, so I have a few questions.

(1) Is the armidex likely to be more effective than the nolvadex at getting rid of my gyne?
(2) Is 1mg/day the standard daily dose?
(3) Are there any cheaper sources that I can either import into Australia or obtain locally in Australia
(4) Are there any similar or better alternatives that are cheaper?

Keen to hear your suggestions - getting rid of bitch tits shouldnt be this costly.....

Thanks..

[ForemanRules]

I get mine from http://www.ag-guys.com/ don't know if you can get that in Australia.

I use Arimidex at 1/4 to 1/2 mg ED, with pills you could cut them in half and take 1/2 pill every other day. For me Arimidex at 1/2mg EOD worked much better than nolva at 20mg ed. Good luck.

[The_Skeptic]

For cost effectiveness, nothing beats buying it in powder form from a China source and preparing a batch yourself in a liquid solution.

Check out the home lab forum at www.outlawmuscle.com for more info.

[JustOne]

(1) No, but a more better option for health reasons, they both work diffrently, nolva is faster acting and works only on selected sites such as parts of the brain and breasts, arimidex lowers E2 in general but is slower acting.
(2) .25mg once a week upto every 2nd day, for arimidex in men.
(3) defenetly not, you wont get it past customs.

[Andromeda]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I get mine from http://www.ag-guys.com/ don't know if you can get that in Australia.

I use Arimidex at 1/4 to 1/2 mg ED, with pills you could cut them in half and take 1/2 pill every other day. For me Arimidex at 1/2mg EOD worked much better than nolva at 20mg ed. Good luck.

Thanks a lot for the feedback - looks like Armidex is far more potent in effect than Nolva, and at 1/2mg every day (ED?) I should get better value out of this huge outlay.
Another question, I understand that Armidex should not be taken with Nolvadex as they kind of cancel each other out. I also know that Nolvadex has quite a long half life.
So how long should I wait between stopping nolvadex and commencing armidex to ensure I'm not wasting my armidex. Bearing in mind that I really don't want to be without either for too long less my gyne start going backwards.

Thanks,

[Recless]

What is the cause of your gyno? How long have you had it? If it's been there longer than a year surgery will be your only answer most likely. The reason I say this is because after 6-12 months the glandular tissue becomes more and more fibrous. Arimidex will help if elevated estrogen was the culprit but in all honesty I would not be self medicating with an aromatase inhibitor without having bloodwork done first. You are making a big mistake if you do IMO. If your estradiol levels are already back to normal then lowering them even further will do nothing for your gyno. It will only help to decrease it if the hormonal imbalance that caused it still exists im my opinion. And once the imbalance is corrected it can still take many months for the tissue to resolve. Mine took about 9 months to resolve.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Having been on 20mg Nolvadex for the last 4 months with some success I have just bought my first Armidex which I plan to use instead of the Nolvadex for a while. However buying it was an extremely painful experience with a pack of 30 tablets (1 months supply) costing me $190 !!! (Australian)
Now this is about 4 times as much as a months supply of Nolvadex, so I have a few questions.

(1) Is the armidex likely to be more effective than the nolvadex at getting rid of my gyne?
(2) Is 1mg/day the standard daily dose?
(3) Are there any cheaper sources that I can either import into Australia or obtain locally in Australia
(4) Are there any similar or better alternatives that are cheaper?

Keen to hear your suggestions - getting rid of bitch tits shouldnt be this costly.....

Thanks..

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[lou123]

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Having been on 20mg Nolvadex for the last 4 months with some success I have just bought my first Armidex which I plan to use instead of the Nolvadex for a while. However buying it was an extremely painful experience with a pack of 30 tablets (1 months supply) costing me $190 !!! (Australian)
Now this is about 4 times as much as a months supply of Nolvadex, so I have a few questions.

(1) Is the armidex likely to be more effective than the nolvadex at getting rid of my gyne?
(2) Is 1mg/day the standard daily dose?
(3) Are there any cheaper sources that I can either import into Australia or obtain locally in Australia
(4) Are there any similar or better alternatives that are cheaper?

Keen to hear your suggestions - getting rid of bitch tits shouldnt be this costly.....

Thanks..

Arimidex will prevent Gyne but Nolvadex is the drug to take if it already formed. I have never heard of Arimidex eliminating gyne

[Bayou230]

Originally Posted by Recless

...If it's been there longer than a year surgery will be your only answer most likely.

...I would not be self medicating with an aromatase inhibitor without having bloodwork done first.

I know from experience that these statements are true. TRT drove my E2 above reference range. And 1/2 mg of Arimidex every other day lowered it BELOW reference range, Not a good thing. Now doing 1/4 mg every other day. What a pain in the ass to cut tiny pills in 1/4s Will get new blood work to see where I am at that dose.

Also, insurance does not cover this for me so I pay the going rate at my pharmacy. Ouch! Knowing each pill provides 4 doses helps...a little.

Best advise would be to get your blood work done before and especially after you start taking it.

Good luck,
B230

[lou123]

Originally Posted by Bayou230

I know from experience that these statements are true. TRT drove my E2 above reference range. And 1/2 mg of Arimidex every other day lowered it BELOW reference range, Not a good thing. Now doing 1/4 mg every other day. What a pain in the ass to cut tiny pills in 1/4s Will get new blood work to see where I am at that dose.

Also, insurance does not cover this for me so I pay the going rate at my pharmacy. Ouch! Knowing each pill provides 4 doses helps...a little.

Best advise would be to get your blood work done before and especially after you start taking it.

Good luck,
B230

If you are trying to get rid of the gyno you will have better luck upper the Tamox to 40mg day. ADEx does nothing to get rid of prexisting gyno

[Andromeda]

The concensus seems to be two key points. Firstly that armidex doesnt help get rid of pre-existing gyne
Secondly that I need to monitor my bloodwork carefully while on it.

I can confirm that I quickly arranged a Dr appointment recently and got tests done at baseline (before starting) and will have followup tests done in a few weeks time after commencing armidex.
One thing to note - even while on Nolvadex my E2 and T levels have been extremely high,. The last set of tests I had done showed Testosterone at 44 where the ref range is about 15-35 while E2 was 540 where the ref range is like 50-300. Now this is'nt the first time as I've had previous monthly tests that showed similar elevations. On putting it to this board I was advised by a valid source that the Nolvadex makes E2 measurements somewhat invalid as the nolvadex is falsely read as being E2 itself.... However on putting this to my Dr he advises that he still doesnt see such high E2 levels in other patients he has on nolva....

Additionally, I stopped going to the gym at the end of Dec 2006 and actually noted an improvement in my gyne, so I'm thinking that gym combined with the testosterone boosting effects of Nolva were actually elevating my T so much that E2 levels were rising to meet it?

Does anyone have an answer to my query re: the timeframe I should allow between stopping Nolva and starting Armidex to ensure I'm not getting any substantial interference. I understand that Nolva has a long halflife, but I guess how long is the issue here....

Cheers

[Andromeda]

I'm really losing hope in the prospect of getting rid of this gyne with anything but surgery, and it frustrates the hell out of me because I don't want to risk having a concave chest and losing any pectoral muscle with the procedure.... Not to mention the cost!

I stopped taking Nolvadex as of Friday 19/1/07 and commenced 1/2mg of armidex the next day from 20/1 onwards. It is now the 29/1/07 and my nipples have gone backwards about 2 months worth of progress already. I Can't believe it...

I suspected that this was due to the fact that armidex needs a long time to really build up in the body, but I have my doubts because within about 3 days of starting it I was getting improved morning wood and proper erections/orgasm (which I was'nt getting while on Nolva) so to me this indicates its already dropped the E2 levels down to more acceptable levels. Yet the gyne has progressed even further....
Can anyone advise why my gyne has worsened while on armidex - a supposedly superior generation estrogen antagoniser. Do I just need to give it more time? Is the nolvadex still in my system and interfering with the armidex? What the hell is going on.

Please share your knowledge before I lose hope entirely.

[Andromeda]

Im suprised to see no response to my latest post in this thread, so I did a bit of searching through related articles and came across this useful bit of website: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/anastr_cp.htm

It says that in post menopausal women theres a 70% suppression of E2 within 24h of starting armidex at 1mg/day, which increases up to 80% after 2 weeks of taking 1mg/daily, and that E2 suppression continues for 6 days after ceasing the drug.
Now I'm a young male of 25, so my clearance rates etc. will probably be different, but I'm guessing not much - can anyone confirm this?

I've read that armidex is a very potent AND EXPENSIVE anti-E and so I've been taking 0.5mg/day which I've read is almost as effective in reducing E2 as 1mg/day. Has anyone treating Gyne found this to be the case, or should I really try 1mg since my gyne has actually got worse in the 10 days since stopping Nolva and starting Armidex....

Has anyone got any useful links to more in depth details on gynecomastia treatment via Armidex, Aromasine, Nolva. I really suspect my gyne is due to excess thyroid hormone, as my gyne is definitely the lump variety and not the fatty tissue kind - What is the best treatment regime if this is the case?

Cheers

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Im suprised to see no response to my latest post in this thread, so I did a bit of searching through related articles and came across this useful bit of website: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/anastr_cp.htm

It says that in post menopausal women theres a 70% suppression of E2 within 24h of starting armidex at 1mg/day, which increases up to 80% after 2 weeks of taking 1mg/daily, and that E2 suppression continues for 6 days after ceasing the drug.
Now I'm a young male of 25, so my clearance rates etc. will probably be different, but I'm guessing not much - can anyone confirm this?

I've read that armidex is a very potent AND EXPENSIVE anti-E and so I've been taking 0.5mg/day which I've read is almost as effective in reducing E2 as 1mg/day. Has anyone treating Gyne found this to be the case, or should I really try 1mg since my gyne has actually got worse in the 10 days since stopping Nolva and starting Armidex....

Has anyone got any useful links to more in depth details on gynecomastia treatment via Armidex, Aromasine, Nolva. I really suspect my gyne is due to excess thyroid hormone, as my gyne is definitely the lump variety and not the fatty tissue kind - What is the best treatment regime if this is the case?

Cheers

I was doing some google searches a few months back and came across a gyno forum where they were saying that applying DHT cream to the breasts helped reduce the gyno. Ever hear anything like that?

[Andromeda]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

I was doing some google searches a few months back and came across a gyno forum where they were saying that applying DHT cream to the breasts helped reduce the gyno. Ever hear anything like that?

Yeh - that was one of the first things I read. That I should apply 6-OXO to my nipples.
Problem is that 6-OXO cream is not obtainable in Australia due to strict customs.
Since I'm running out of options I will see if my Dr can prescribe me anything like that.

Cheers

[lou123]

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Yeh - that was one of the first things I read. That I should apply 6-OXO to my nipples.
Problem is that 6-OXO cream is not obtainable in Australia due to strict customs.
Since I'm running out of options I will see if my Dr can prescribe me anything like that.

Cheers

Andractim or DHT cream can be made at a compounding pharmacy. Just like any other T cream it can shut down your HPTA.

If the Gyno has been around more than 6 months chances are you are stuck with it. Any good Gyno surgeon is not going to remove and pec muscle.

I would try 40-60 mg of Nolva a day for a few weeks as a lst shot. As i told you before the ADEX is not going to help pre-existing gyno