Best Multivitamin?

[hardasnails1973]

whom ever you are working with is using the latest testing to determine properly mineral and vitamin deficency.
Lp(a) can be a real bitch of things,. Cortisol imbalance, vitamin C defiency are probably at root. If lp(a) comes back high urine or serum Amino acid of lysine/argine may be warranted.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins.

Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients

Phil had recommended this one to me from your recommendation. I got some pretty good confirmation that this is good today. My new doctor which is very anti-aging, treat the cause not the symptoms recommended BP4 from Douglas Laboratories today. If you compare the labels, they are almost identical. The Dr. Cranton's are about $8 per bottle cheaper.

[hardasnails1973]

also douglas labs does not have the converted b complexes like cranston does. What we do is use we use ultrapreventative 10 by douglas and some comverted sublingual b complex from premier research. Yes they are expensive but if you look at the content you will see why since they are all natural nano b complex coenzymatic .

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

also douglas labs does not have the converted b complexes like cranston does. What we do is use we use ultrapreventative 10 by douglas and some comverted sublingual b complex from premier research. Yes they are expensive but if you look at the content you will see why since they are all natural nano b complex coenzymatic .

Those are pretty expensive! I bet they work a little better than that big jug for $8 at Costco?

[phxskye215]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

whom ever you are working with is using the latest testing to determine properly mineral and vitamin deficency.
Lp(a) can be a real bitch of things,. Cortisol imbalance, vitamin C defiency are probably at root. If lp(a) comes back high urine or serum Amino acid of lysine/argine may be warranted.

I was reading this thread and your post and I wanted to share some info. Lp(a) once identified as easy to treat. Nicotinic acid AKA Niacin (B3) is the only therapeutic treatment. Diet, exercise, statins, absorption inhibitors and sad to say even red wine wont help to reduce these buggars. Repairing the damage created by these particles is another topic all together. This appears to be a genetic predisposition and it is traceable long before levels even warrant further investigation i.e. Abnormal total chol, LDL, HDl & triglycerides and thus the problem with conventional testing. Example a 27 year old patient with a total cholesterol of 176. Upon further study, she is already in the red zone for Lp(a) the only abnormal value. and requires treatment,, Niacin 500mg with meal 1-2 times a day. SpectraCell out of Houston Texas, I have found is the leader in testing and treatment protocols. Now using the LPP+ testing which includes markers for metabolic syndrome, homocysteine, insulin, C-reactive protein and plaque. And this is only one corner of metabolic syndrome and only a very small piece in the massive puzzle of BHRT & anti aging through wellness.

Nutrients can not always be a given. So much comes into play. Every BODY is different. If you want to AGE, your body will do just that. It is not that our hormones drop because we age. It is "we age because our hormone levels drop and we lack nutreints to support optimal fuctioning". To be serious about wellness you must look at so many factors; identifying immediate killer risks; cardiac/chol, high blood pressure, weight, and insulin resistance. In doing that an examination of many things must occur including organic acid profiles. You’d be amazed what shows up there long before the manifestations appear in the body, next aminos. What does your body need that is different from mine. If any of us have lived a decade or two or more chances are we have toxic metal build up. That is by far the most important to rule out and clear out if you have any risk factors (almost all of us do but some are at astronomical risk). Sure we can all benefit from a Paleolithic diet rich in lean animal protein, fruit, veggies, sprouted grains, eggs, fish, legumes, nuts and red wines; organic, grass fed, free range, omega rich, mercury free etc. etc. But even in a good week who of us can say we are 100% and as we age we develop blocks in our metabolic pathways for whatever reasons, meds, genetic, environmental insults, toxic waste build up etc. So to know what you need, you have to test. If you can’t test, take the best supplement you can find. That does not always mean the most expensive. But there is a lot of crap out there that you might as well flush down the toilet, that is where it is going anyway.

[phxskye215]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins.

Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients

I have some customised tests for Organic acids and Aminos. it is real simple. First void urine and a blood spot. The Organic acids test four very important catagories; B-vitamins, cellular energy, neural functioning and detoxification. The aminos are essential 11 and there is a more extensive test is requested. That cost is $400. By far the best designed test I have found to date Metrametrics out of Georgia, USA I also use FIA * as it is resonable co-pay with insurance about $80. They also discount with no insurance, very reasonable Spectracell Houston, Texas, USA. It is a venous blood draw. i do it along with LPP+ which is a fasting blood draw M-Th and a Fed-X shippment.

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[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by phxskye215

I was reading this thread and your post and I wanted to share some info. Lp(a) once identified as easy to treat. Nicotinic acid AKA Niacin (B3) is the only therapeutic treatment. Diet, exercise, statins, absorption inhibitors and sad to say even red wine wont help to reduce these buggars. Repairing the damage created by these particles is another topic all together. This appears to be a genetic predisposition and it is traceable long before levels even warrant further investigation i.e. Abnormal total chol, LDL, HDl & triglycerides and thus the problem with conventional testing. Example a 27 year old patient with a total cholesterol of 176. Upon further study, she is already in the red zone for Lp(a) the only abnormal value. and requires treatment,, Niacin 500mg with meal 1-2 times a day. SpectraCell out of Houston Texas, I have found is the leader in testing and treatment protocols. Now using the LPP+ testing which includes markers for metabolic syndrome, homocysteine, insulin, C-reactive protein and plaque. And this is only one corner of metabolic syndrome and only a very small piece in the massive puzzle of BHRT & anti aging through wellness.

Nutrients can not always be a given. So much comes into play. Every BODY is different. If you want to AGE, your body will do just that. It is not that our hormones drop because we age. It is "we age because our hormone levels drop and we lack nutreints to support optimal fuctioning". To be serious about wellness you must look at so many factors; identifying immediate killer risks; cardiac/chol, high blood pressure, weight, and insulin resistance. In doing that an examination of many things must occur including organic acid profiles. You’d be amazed what shows up there long before the manifestations appear in the body, next aminos. What does your body need that is different from mine. If any of us have lived a decade or two or more chances are we have toxic metal build up. That is by far the most important to rule out and clear out if you have any risk factors (almost all of us do but some are at astronomical risk). Sure we can all benefit from a Paleolithic diet rich in lean animal protein, fruit, veggies, sprouted grains, eggs, fish, legumes, nuts and red wines; organic, grass fed, free range, omega rich, mercury free etc. etc. But even in a good week who of us can say we are 100% and as we age we develop blocks in our metabolic pathways for whatever reasons, meds, genetic, environmental insults, toxic waste build up etc. So to know what you need, you have to test. If you can’t test, take the best supplement you can find. That does not always mean the most expensive. But there is a lot of crap out there that you might as well flush down the toilet, that is where it is going anyway.

This was one of the best post i have read and I practice 100% of what you are preaching to people, but so many are so oblvious to how important lifestyle changes are. Lp(a) is really a niacin defieincy if you look at it that way and possible an ascorbate. Spectracell will now be testing this in july so it should shed more light on the topics and possible red flags for people as well to further investigate lipids. I am using niaspan at 500 mgs before bed time to help with Lp(a) if it is not down in 3 months we increae dosage to 1000mgs.

[nobody42]

Yes, I'm fortunate enough to have this person treating me. (phxskye215) I showed this forum to her a while back and she finally has a little extra time to join in.

Time permitting, I'm fairly certain she would be happy to answer some questions and share some of her vast knowledge.

[hardasnails1973]

It is good to have her aboard and hopefully we can learn from each other..Every one has a different areas of experstise. mine is hormone, nutrition, liver, gut, manipulation of enyzmatic pathways. I am currently enrolled in getting my Ph.D in alternative medicine as well.

[phxskye215]

Hello again... just a quick follow up. I have done extensive testing on myself using many different testing means. Here again, my deficiencies have been identified as B6, CoQ10 (on Metametrics), folate (on FIA). My customized need for Niacin was only 25mg a day. Clearly not therapeutic enough to correct a genetically predisposed Lp(a) risk. I likely need at least 1000mg as my risks are huge. And like my B6. I had B6 in my vitamins and so I said to myself “I’ll just eat more food high in B6. Upon looking that up, holy crap “everything I eat is high B6”. This tells me the block I have is in my gut. And I will look further at heavy metals and possibly some pro-biotics but until then I have to consider a sublingual customized Pyridoxine (B6), Methylcobalamin (B12) and folate or just go with an injectable.

I can email you my Metametrics test results. It’s a customized test. Might be interesting in your field of study.

Do you or anyone else out the have any experience with Chelation and Genova’s heavy metal comprehensive urine testing. I’ll be doing my test on 24 hour Sunday.

And also Neuroscience out of Osceola, WI? I’ll be adding this to my patient options. More than ever I see that “nothing stands alone”. All of our body systems work in synergy or agonistically with each other. Homeostasis has a whole new meaning now that neuro/endocrine/hormonal/nutrients/DNA whole body wellness is the goal. But I am not sure of the products that this company promotes example 5-HTP.

Oh and while we are at it do you or anyone else out there have experience with SURACELL personal genetic profile testing. This testing came out of info gained from Human Genome Project/Nobel Prize winning works. The test examines genetic (DNA) to determine the efficacy of five key processes: Methylation, inflammation, glycation, oxidation, and DNA repair. My test results make my brain hurt and I am sure reduces my feel good neurotransmitters. The company is in business to sell their vitamins and the recommendations are “here take this and it will cost you this”. Not “O.K. your body lack this, has excess of that, these issues may present… you can do this (eat this or you need these specific nutrients) or this product can help you. I do not do well on combo products as if I get just a little of something that does not agree with my system, it’s never pretty.

Looking forward to any and all replies. Thank you in advance.

[Recless]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

whom ever you are working with is using the latest testing to determine properly mineral and vitamin deficency.
Lp(a) can be a real bitch of things,. Cortisol imbalance, vitamin C defiency are probably at root. If lp(a) comes back high urine or serum Amino acid of lysine/argine may be warranted.

HAN...I cannot find this B-Complex you mention by Premier Research, even checking their website. Do you have a link I could purchase from? Thanks.

[technohive]

The best multivitamin for me is those from natural sources means healthy food and diet. I think no vitamin supplements can surpass this one...