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07-07-2008, 08:49 AM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Sure, eat well and you wont need em
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07-07-2008, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by zkt Sure, eat well and you wont need em | couldn't agree more with this sage advice.
the only thing that makes any sense is to take vitamin C because we can't make it or store it and likely need a lot given our evolutionary roots. I | 
07-07-2008, 10:30 AM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Reallly man just lookat the big picture. All the advertizing- the hype- its just another marketing scheme perpetrated on a gullible population. No offense Esso.
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07-07-2008, 01:49 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Four weeks ago I did NutrEval test at Genova Diagnostics.
Hopefully this week I wil get my results.
For a month before the test I was not using any supplements or vitamins or minerals to clean my system out.
Just T shots, HCG and AI, food and water.
The test results will contain all supplements that I personally need.
That list will be 95% of supplements that I plan on taking.
Hopefuly that wil cut down my daily pills intake by half or possibly more.
I will post my test when I have it available.
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During my clean up period I missed most my Borage and PrimRose oils.
My frequent urination and bladder spasms returned.
Luckily two weks after resuming oils my blader is calm again.
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07-07-2008, 07:18 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? I do eat well but I'm still obviously lacking something although I'm not too sure what it is. On a good multi I get better night/morning boners and wang function. I don't buy into advertising hype.
I've been taking a lot of quality vitamins this year and have been surrounded by sick people all year and I still haven't come down with anything, when in the past I've have many colds every year.
Perhaps it's just the D3 helping the wang. Will soon know as I've ordered some D3 on it's own.
I agree though that most multi's are crap and a waste of money. BAM was recommended to my by a doc and you can't even buy BAM in my country it has to be ordered in. | 
07-07-2008, 07:20 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? I forgot to mention that it feels like my body controls E2 much better when I'm on a good multi. Since going on good multi I haven't had to use a-dex. No kidding. | 
07-07-2008, 10:08 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? I take quite a few individual vitamins, but basially these are the ones my Dr has said I'm deficient, or need more of. I go more by the thoughts - of only taking the ones you need. | 
07-08-2008, 03:36 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? I take several vitamins seperately, too, and a couple of select minerals such as zinc. My current supplement regimen includes 1 gram of vitamin C per day, split up into 500 mgs in the morning and another at night, and a multi-B with magnesium which I also take in two seperate doses. I doubt I need to supplement with vitamin D until the autumn, because I'm spending so much time outside and getting a lot of sun.
I just ordered a big batch of mega potent sublingual B-12 vitamins (5000 mcgs!) from the States. Got them dirt cheap, too. Heh, glad they didn't go through customs, or the bastards would have flushed them down the toilet because their potency would've exceeded the customs' ridiculous guidelines.
So anyway, I've been taking one of these babies first thing every morning before I eat, letting it dissolve under my tongue for a good minute, and the rush of energy I get from them is quite exhilirating. They really make me feel good and energized for a short while, much more so than any B-12 vitamin I've tried before, probably because these are much more potent, and since they're sublingual they are on par with B-12 shots in that they are utilized much more effectively (as opposed to potentially being destroyed by my digestive system). Also, my vitiligo was slowly spreading up until now, but it seemed to halt dead in its tracks when I started taking these high potency lozenges. | 
07-08-2008, 11:02 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? This one was recommend to me from pmgamer18 through hardasnails: Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients
I have definitely felt better taking these along with some extra C, D, and Mg. I am working more veggies into my diet through salads and juicing. Once I get into the habit of juicing and eating more whole vegetables I plan to at least 1/2 the dose of supplements.
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07-09-2008, 01:08 AM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? I would recommend a test for vitamin-mineral-amino acids. Metametrix is one of the companies offering this. It will tell where you are deficient based on percentile ranking and make specific individual supplement recommendations. Deficiencies can be metabolic pathway blocks, diet, lifestyle, exercise, etc. The test I had done was invaluable. | 
07-09-2008, 06:34 AM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Thanks for the tip nobody. I found they have an Australian branch here which i can get in touch with: Diagnostic Insight - Home
Which tests did you have done? Was it expensive for you? | 
07-09-2008, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eeso Thanks for the tip nobody. I found they have an Australian branch here which i can get in touch with: Diagnostic Insight - Home
Which tests did you have done? Was it expensive for you? | Excellent. My test was through a similar company. Apparently they work through affiliates so my test may be custom tailored. Still figuring this out.
In any event, its marked 4100 Vitamins-Minerals-Amino Acids. The test was a blood spot where you prick your finger and swab blood onto cards. As far as cost, my test was complimentary as my girlfriend runs a practice so I have access to many nice things from time to time.
Interestingly enough, I had been taking a multi for a long time and other supplements and the test showed deficiencies in several key areas. These all made sense too based on my lifestyle. I was deficient on some key aminos which would relate to my intense weight training at the time. Key to growth. | 
07-09-2008, 12:31 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins. Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients
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07-09-2008, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins. Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients | Just had FIA done (Functional Intracellular Analysis) as well as LPP (Lipoprotein Particle Profile. We'll see what this shows.......I will share | 
07-09-2008, 09:06 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? whom ever you are working with is using the latest testing to determine properly mineral and vitamin deficency.
Lp(a) can be a real bitch of things,. Cortisol imbalance, vitamin C defiency are probably at root. If lp(a) comes back high urine or serum Amino acid of lysine/argine may be warranted. | 
07-09-2008, 10:19 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? Quote:
Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins. Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients | Phil had recommended this one to me from your recommendation. I got some pretty good confirmation that this is good today. My new doctor which is very anti-aging, treat the cause not the symptoms recommended BP4 from Douglas Laboratories today. If you compare the labels, they are almost identical. The Dr. Cranton's are about $8 per bottle cheaper.
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07-09-2008, 10:36 PM
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| | Re: Best Multivitamin? also douglas labs does not have the converted b complexes like cranston does. What we do is use we use ultrapreventative 10 by douglas and some comverted sublingual b complex from premier research. Yes they are expensive but if you look at the content you will see why since they are all natural nano b complex coenzymatic . | 
07-09-2008, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 also douglas labs does not have the converted b complexes like cranston does. What we do is use we use ultrapreventative 10 by douglas and some comverted sublingual b complex from premier research. Yes they are expensive but if you look at the content you will see why since they are all natural nano b complex coenzymatic . | Those are pretty expensive! I bet they work a little better than that big jug for $8 at Costco? 
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07-10-2008, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 whom ever you are working with is using the latest testing to determine properly mineral and vitamin deficency.
Lp(a) can be a real bitch of things,. Cortisol imbalance, vitamin C defiency are probably at root. If lp(a) comes back high urine or serum Amino acid of lysine/argine may be warranted. | I was reading this thread and your post and I wanted to share some info. Lp(a) once identified as easy to treat. Nicotinic acid AKA Niacin (B3) is the only therapeutic treatment. Diet, exercise, statins, absorption inhibitors and sad to say even red wine wont help to reduce these buggars. Repairing the damage created by these particles is another topic all together. This appears to be a genetic predisposition and it is traceable long before levels even warrant further investigation i.e. Abnormal total chol, LDL, HDl & triglycerides and thus the problem with conventional testing. Example a 27 year old patient with a total cholesterol of 176. Upon further study, she is already in the red zone for Lp(a) the only abnormal value. and requires treatment,, Niacin 500mg with meal 1-2 times a day. SpectraCell out of Houston Texas, I have found is the leader in testing and treatment protocols. Now using the LPP+ testing which includes markers for metabolic syndrome, homocysteine, insulin, C-reactive protein and plaque. And this is only one corner of metabolic syndrome and only a very small piece in the massive puzzle of BHRT & anti aging through wellness.
Nutrients can not always be a given. So much comes into play. Every BODY is different. If you want to AGE, your body will do just that. It is not that our hormones drop because we age. It is "we age because our hormone levels drop and we lack nutreints to support optimal fuctioning". To be serious about wellness you must look at so many factors; identifying immediate killer risks; cardiac/chol, high blood pressure, weight, and insulin resistance. In doing that an examination of many things must occur including organic acid profiles. You’d be amazed what shows up there long before the manifestations appear in the body, next aminos. What does your body need that is different from mine. If any of us have lived a decade or two or more chances are we have toxic metal build up. That is by far the most important to rule out and clear out if you have any risk factors (almost all of us do but some are at astronomical risk). Sure we can all benefit from a Paleolithic diet rich in lean animal protein, fruit, veggies, sprouted grains, eggs, fish, legumes, nuts and red wines; organic, grass fed, free range, omega rich, mercury free etc. etc. But even in a good week who of us can say we are 100% and as we age we develop blocks in our metabolic pathways for whatever reasons, meds, genetic, environmental insults, toxic waste build up etc. So to know what you need, you have to test. If you can’t test, take the best supplement you can find. That does not always mean the most expensive. But there is a lot of crap out there that you might as well flush down the toilet, that is where it is going anyway. | 
07-10-2008, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 Best well covered general multivitamin as well as cheapest.
I agree in testing but we only use FIA testing for vitamins. Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients | I have some customised tests for Organic acids and Aminos. it is real simple. First void urine and a blood spot. The Organic acids test four very important catagories; B-vitamins, cellular energy, neural functioning and detoxification. The aminos are essential 11 and there is a more extensive test is requested. That cost is $400. By far the best designed test I have found to date Metrametrics out of Georgia, USA I also use FIA * as it is resonable co-pay with insurance about $80. They also discount with no insurance, very reasonable Spectracell Houston, Texas, USA. It is a venous blood draw. i do it along with LPP+ whic | | | |