Dangers of TRT?

[Operator]

Originally Posted by administrator

Please correct me if I'm wrong, in part or whole, but it is myunderstanding that HCG treatment essentially mimics LH but not FSH? So, the adverse effects on sperm production would persist on TRT + HCG only treatment. OTOH, HMG behaves more like FSH and would its inclusion would be indicated if fertility is of particular concern.

I am on the TRT w/HCG protocol per Swale. I use Androgel pump with six pumps per day. Ejaculate volume stayed roughly the same but also was worried about fertility. Tried HMG and ejaculate volume shot up, and not a marginal difference but very obvious one. I can't testify to the motility or quality of the sperm obviously but I think it's something that should be looked into.
Did I just hijack this thread?
Well, for the original poster, I'm 47 and after my blook work showed low testosterone, my doctor put me on the Androgel. The difference in the quality of my life was tremendous. Energy level up, no more depression, strength improved and I want to go the gym again, etc. I'm never going off.

[SprintR]

How long have you been on TRT for, Operator?

[Operator]

I'm on my fourth month now. What was surprising was the immediate relief I felt in the first week or so. After several weeks I felt so much better it was obvious something was working. It is a pain doing the daily gel thing though. I got my DR to prescibe some test injectable for times I go on vacation and don't want to hassle with the gel.

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by Operator

I am on the TRT w/HCG protocol per Swale. I use Androgel pump with six pumps per day. Ejaculate volume stayed roughly the same but also was worried about fertility. Tried HMG and ejaculate volume shot up, and not a marginal difference but very obvious one. I can't testify to the motility or quality of the sperm obviously but I think it's something that should be looked into.
Did I just hijack this thread?
Well, for the original poster, I'm 47 and after my blook work showed low testosterone, my doctor put me on the Androgel. The difference in the quality of my life was tremendous. Energy level up, no more depression, strength improved and I want to go the gym again, etc. I'm never going off.

How long did you try the hMG for Operator? I would imagine it was very expensive?
Since it contains FSH, this must be what improved your semen volume... as its meant to be a more powerfull fertility aid than hCG.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by Matt Muscle

How long did you try the hMG for Operator? I would imagine it was very expensive?
Since it contains FSH, this must be what improved your semen volume... as its meant to be a more powerfull fertility aid than hCG.

Just one dose of 75IU, I have two more doses I have not used yet. I don't intend to use it regularly, it was just an experiment to see what would happen.
I was surprised by what happened with the one dose. Of course, I can't say this wasn't due to some natural variability of my body to produce ejaculate but I'd never seen volume like this before.

[cupcake]

Hey all, i finally have an appointment with an Endicrinologist(sp) It has been determined my T levels are low!! And recently being diagnose with insulin resistance, also a consequence of a low T count, i would like to be well armed when i visit. What sould i expect? What should i be asking/looking for? Any help would be much appreciated.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by cupcake

Hey all, i finally have an appointment with an Endicrinologist(sp) It has been determined my T levels are low!! And recently being diagnose with insulin resistance, also a consequence of a low T count, i would like to be well armed when i visit. What sould i expect? What should i be asking/looking for? Any help would be much appreciated.

Here are some links.
www.allthingsmale.com read the TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-...prtcl-130.html

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBo...stosterone.htm

Make dam sure before you go on TRT to find out why you have low levels. Going on TRT is for life. Have your sperm checked first and if good and you want kids have some frozen.
Phil

[benaiah]

I thought it wasn't necessarily always for life. I thought it could sometimes rebalance your system if combined with HCG?
I wouldn't really want to have to depend on anything for life.
You wouldn't ever really be worse off if you ever decided to quit would you?
I hope I'm not just running this thread around in circles, am I ..

[pmgamer18]

This depends on why your low if you did steroids you can restart. If your low do to a bad infection or from Adrenal Fatugue due to over training hell the list is long. But if your primary or secondary it's for life.

[benaiah]

How can I tell? I didn't do steroids, I did Propecia, for 3 WEEKS only!!! And its been 2 months!
I have had discomfort for the 2 months since stopping, and T is low, and SHBG high. Its really starting to frustrate me. I thought I would be ok in time.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by benaiah

How can I tell? I didn't do steroids, I did Propecia, for 3 WEEKS only!!! And its been 2 months!
I have had discomfort for the 2 months since stopping, and T is low, and SHBG high. Its really starting to frustrate me. I thought I would be ok in time.

You were not on it that long and it should come back but it takes time what are your labs did you check E2 Estradiol if this is high and your take some Indolplex/DIM your SHBG will come back down and your total and free T will go back up.
Please post your labs.

[twigman]

As long as you stay within the guidlines for your age and get your blood wrok done you will be fine .Remember testosterone is medicine, it is only a drug when you over do it