day one of attempting to restart

[chap]

I am following the lead of many anecdotal reports from very very experienced AS veterans that the clomid/nolvadex combo has been their most successful pcts of all tried.


Well, this morning I had my first visual tracers from the clomid, but haven't noticed it since.

I feel kind of all right at the moment, still no libido but sleeping well and feel alright.

[chap]

Hope I'm not boring anyone by posting my progress and thoughts as I go on this experiment, I wish I had blood tests to follow the progress too but not possible at this time.... so it will be all anecdotes as I go.

Well end of day 4 and I felt really good this evening, probably felt better than I had when I was on testosterone hrt. I actually had the energy to go workout, and I surprised myself with a half decent workout. I took it relatively easy not wanting to overtrain and stress my system, but it was encouraging. I'm starting to wonder if the first pulses of secretion of gnrh and lh are maybe starting to begin, because I feel so much better tonight then I have the last week.

(today was 200 mg clomid/ 40 mg nolvadex)... continuing to taper down

[heavyuser]

Bro,

My advice, from personal experience is to stick with 50mg clomid/ 20mg nolva daily, for extended period of time. No more, no less than 50/20.

[hackskii]

I am with heavy on this one, I for sure dont think you need 40 nolva a day.

I am interested in the journal bro, not boring me at all.
I want off my HRT and am going to make that leap after I get my HCG.

You might have some success too with some zinc and magnesium just before bed time.
I did that the other night (keep forgetting) and had some wood in my sleep.
Zinc is a natural aromatase inhibitor too, just be carefull on the dose.

[chap]

today is day 5, dose today 200mg clomid/40 mg nolva

I feel really good. a very few acne but it was worse on trt and hcg. No real tracers to speak of this morning.

Last night I took a little less than half of a cialis (about 10mg) just to see if it could prompt some blood flow for health, and my results were unbelievable. To give some background, whenever I was on TRT over the years, erections always seemed to vary... but they always tended to be a little 'fickle', like I could lose them easily unless constantly stimulated for the most part. Didn't seem to be solvable even with different dosages and arimidex or no arimidex.

While on TRT, Cialis would work a bit, it would help, but erections were still very fickle.

Well, my honest thought this morning was 'oh no, I have priapism'! I haven't experienced the quality, long lasting erections like this in a long long time. This is so encouraging. I missed that concept of being able to get turned on by a girl and not have to worry about anything and 3 minutes later you still be hard without having to stimulate. On TRT it was not that way at all. Something about being on trt for me anyway was disrupting the natural reliability of my erections.

Well, it is day 5 today and I really am just at the beginning of this, but I feel today like I would be happy to feel like this forever.... so maybe things may get better still? Going to continue tapering down, and look at long term SERM as my hrt method.

[chap]

I thought I should clarify that the good results I saw with cialis today were pretty much a mechanical thing, but just the fact that the mechanics were so far improved from when I was on trt is so encouraging.

I still think I have a ways to go in recovery though, as actual urgency of libido has still not occurred (although it was bad on trt always too), I'm hoping going this more natural approach may slowly allow whatever goes on in the brain chemically to adjust and return that natural libido cycle that I remember years ago.

Also, my feeling 'fantastic' may have more to do with the serms than natural test? Calm feeling of well being is the way I describe it at the moment.

[heavyuser]

Originally Posted by chap

I thought I should clarify that the good results I saw with cialis today were pretty much a mechanical thing, but just the fact that the mechanics were so far improved from when I was on trt is so encouraging.

I still think I have a ways to go in recovery though, as actual urgency of libido has still not occurred (although it was bad on trt always too), I'm hoping going this more natural approach may slowly allow whatever goes on in the brain chemically to adjust and return that natural libido cycle that I remember years ago.

Also, my feeling 'fantastic' may have more to do with the serms than natural test? Calm feeling of well being is the way I describe it at the moment.

Glad to hear that bro. Keep us updated...

[chap]

end of day 5, just got back from workout that was not bad at all, but definitely taking it light, I could feel the burn a lot quicker on some exercises, so I am a little weaker right now, but not as bad as I expected

libido throughout the day was nil (wondering if this morning was a bit of a morning wood syndrome as I was drowsy all morning)

definite noticeable testicle size increase even compared to when I was on hcg..... I wonder if FSH is ahead of LH or maybe testicle size comes before testosterone output? just thinking out loud

mood is very very good, felt really good after the workout

[toc67guru]

chap i wish you the best of luck on your quest,keep us posted on your results.

[morepain]

sounds good chap, I would love to think I could get off of all these drugs for good. Keep the journal going. One problem I have with a restart is i have never been able to use clomid, it screws up my emotions bad. For now i am going to stay with HRT until i can stabilize my depression, then maybe i will attempt to get off that as well.

[chap]

emotions with clomid: well I was going through some tough times when I started this and was somewhat depressed and the clomid did not help with that for sure, but suprisingly it got better day by day and the last few days I have felt really really calm, relaxed, good..... for me it was worth sticking through the initial malaise... you know just the thought of maybe not having to go on testosterone hrt ever again is a really uplifting accomplishment on my life outlook... I know what you mean about wanting to get off, being a slave to injections just to feel 1/2 normal is a major burden. When I hear young steroid users saying stuff like "no big deal, if I do screw up my hpta I can always go on hrt anyway when I get older"... if they only knew

[chap]

this morning it is now day 6, 200mg clomid 40mg nolva, last day of this 'megadose' and tapering down tomorrow (for clarification, when I list the dosages I actually am splitting that up into 1/2 morning 1/2 night)

Great morning wood again this morning which is encouraging. It may be placebo/wishful thinking but I almost thought the very faint beginnings of a libido actually starting. I had a very sexual dream while I was rem sleeping this morning in which was a very successful love making session, don't know if that has any significance, but it felt good that my subconcious mind is actually 'programming' me to think success.

Had a good sleep and feel good starting the day.

[morepain]

YEAH, growing up sucks, you start realizing that maybe you weren't quite as sharp as you thought after all! That was me 5 years ago saying that very statement.


When I hear young steroid users saying stuff like "no big deal, if I do screw up my hpta I can always go on hrt anyway when I get older"... if they only knew[/quote]

[chap]

day 7, today 100mg clomid 20mg nolvadex

good morning wood again, daytime libido still zero

felt a little sick like a cold coming on, wish my test would get flowing to help my immune system out

[novice]

keep us posted

[hackskii]

Good thread. Bump......

[chap]

well it is end of the day 7, just got back from workout, doing a total body routine light for the first 1/2 of pct to go easy on myself, but I thought the exercise stimulation is a good idea anyway.... workout was great actually, feel really good, if it wasn't for the no libido I would be totally happy feeling this way all the time... oh, I took 500mg of tribulus today, the only supplement other than a multivitamin, just to keep the record straight

someone I talked to has said that nolvadex dampens libido in many people, have you guys heard that before? I am wondering if perhaps I am producing some good numbers already and yet my libido is down due to the serms? I feel too good to be someone with no testosterone flowing, and workout strength seemed pretty good too..... I wish I could do weekly free test etc. tests but I will probably only be able to afford one so I am not sure at what point I will do a blood test

[chap]

day 8 today, 100mg clomid, 20 mg nolva, no supplements

not much new to report, still feel good, still no libido, still great morning wood, testicle size is good

[Matt Muscle]

I would say that 100mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of Nolvadex would inhibit your libido.
Even though SERMS are meant to block the estrogen receptor, they are weak estrogens, so if you take enough of them they may start to act like the more potent estrogens, thus causing the negative effects on the male libido.
Swale did say that 50mgs of clomid was a "whalloping dose" So the combination of both these medications at the dosages you are taking may indeed be having this effect.

[chap]

that makes sense


anyway, as I have tapered down, late last night I actually felt a very small stirring of libido and was able to orgasm and ejaculate, which was a first since I stopped the hcg a few weeks ago. So this was very encouraging. It was difficult to get there, serms fault maybe? or low test high prolactin? not sure

today is day 9, 100 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva... .last day of this dose, taper down tomorrow

morning wood great again, feel good, no feelings of libido this morning

[ANTB]

I'm 35, and been on trt for about a year. This protocol won't be popular in this forum, but I feel great in every aspect.
I take 25mgs. clomid mon/wed/fri, along with .5 arimidex on the same days.
My TT stays at 850/900, (241-827). 25 mgs. of clomid is very powerful.
Every 2 months I switch to 5gms. androgel, and 250 iu. hcg 3x a week, along with arimidex.
That is what my doc has me do. I tried almost every form of trt and this has been the best for me.
All bloodwork has been good. I think small doses of clomid may go a long way for some with minimal to no sides. Just my 2 cents.