dhea and hairloss

[masterpp]

guys what do we think of the link between dhea and hairloss- what kinda dossages may increase hairloss

cheers

[rick055]

I wonder this too.

Since starting TRT, my hair has thinned a little. I have been on gel (am switching to shots) and my DHT was 2X over range. But I'm also taking DHEA 25 mg bid.

I am using all the topicals and won't touch finasteride.

I'd rather feel well and save for transplants!!

[Bridger]

What topicals do you use? and how well do you think it/they are working?

Originally Posted by rick055

I wonder this too.

Since starting TRT, my hair has thinned a little. I have been on gel (am switching to shots) and my DHT was 2X over range. But I'm also taking DHEA 25 mg bid.

I am using all the topicals and won't touch finasteride.

I'd rather feel well and save for transplants!!

[MacDonnell]

Originally Posted by rick055

I wonder this too.

Since starting TRT, my hair has thinned a little. I have been on gel (am switching to shots) and my DHT was 2X over range.

Rick,

I had the same problem with the gels. Switched to shots and my hair stopped thinning (and even grew back)!

Mac

[jinxie1]

DHEA, 20 mgs per day, caused my hair to thicken and to darken -- i.e., less gray. It also causes me beard growth to be more course.

[Bill-NJ]

Originally Posted by masterpp

guys what do we think of the link between dhea and hairloss- what kinda dossages may increase hairloss

cheers

Could it be the DHEA is causing a spike in E2 I read smeplace that its high E2 combined with DHT that causes the hairloss? of course I could have read that during a high E2 week and have it all confused

[masterpp]

my gut instinct is that dhea wont directly lead to hairloss in chaps as it doesnt convert to dht directly- it can convert to testosterone, or more likely e2, but id be very suprissed if on 25mg or even 50mg if id loose more hair- as im doing the pills not hte cream of dhea, and so its unlikely my t has increased all that much since taking dhea.

saying that though, dhea may lead to hairloss through other channels, like e2 as we said.

but im on pretty good e2 managagment,.

im taking 0.25mg of arimidex every 3rd day
and one tab of phils brand of dim and one tab of plymouths dim with resvertatol every day- so my e2 should be sorted

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by masterpp

my gut instinct is that dhea wont directly lead to hairloss in chaps as it doesnt convert to dht directly- it can convert to testosterone, or more likely e2, but id be very suprissed if on 25mg or even 50mg if id loose more hair- as im doing the pills not hte cream of dhea, and so its unlikely my t has increased all that much since taking dhea.

saying that though, dhea may lead to hairloss through other channels, like e2 as we said.

but im on pretty good e2 managagment,.

im taking 0.25mg of arimidex every 3rd day
and one tab of phils brand of dim and one tab of plymouths dim with resvertatol every day- so my e2 should be sorted

Listening to presentation on estrogen menagement, I have made notes of what influences estrogen pathways.
Unorganized list is below.
You can buy the presentation and watch/listen to it:
It is one year or so old, so it is rather new.

And as usual, diferent pathways are infuenced by different supplement.
The test reveal which pathways are in need of help and which pathways are doing ok.

Look at attchment here, it shows pathways.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/570645-post6.html
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NutrEval discussed
EW04 - NUTRITIONAL EVALUATION: Understanding Your Patient's Supplement Needs
A4M :: Conference Library
A4M :: Conference Library
Conference: A4M Las Vegas 2006
Speaker: Patrick Hanaway, MD
December 7, 2006 6:00 pm - 9:00 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Estroessence discussed:

GS02m - Estrogen Metabolism: Modifying Risk in Clinical Practice
Conference: A4M Orlando 2006
Speaker: Patrick Hanaway MD
Length: 31m 07s - 66 Slides
April 9, 2006 5:00 pm - 5:40 pm
--------------------------------------------------



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flaxseed (ligans not oil)
omega-3
soy isoflavones (specially in equal producers of 2-OHE and 16-OHE)
I3C (sounds as if I3C is to be used and let the body produce a DIM from it, direct DIM is less sure way, but not to be excluded)
DIM
rosemary, turmeric, kudzu (anti inflamatory)
strenous exercise
weight loss (I am guessing more like a fat loss)

(SAMe & Mg magnesium)
also low folate or high Homocystine (Hcy?) decrease COMT
(Folate, B12, B6, riboflavone)
NAC N-acetil-cystine, L-glutamine, glycine, Mg, (methionine or SAMe)
(alpha lipoic acid, silymarin=Milk Thisle, ginko biloba, whey protein)
Brassica diet
Allium diet (garlic, onions)
I3C-400mg qD
Fish Oils 2gm EPA/DHA BID
Resveratrol -150mg qD
Green Tea extract (EGGCG) 125-250mg qD latter witholded
Alpha-Lipoic acid 300mg BID
B-50 Supplement with B6, B12, & Folate
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg BID
Emphasize cruciferous vegetables in diet

[rick055]

Originally Posted by Bridger

What topicals do you use? and how well do you think it/they are working?

Minoxidil 5% and Dr john's shampoo in the am (nizoral + spiro), Dr. Lee's 5% Xandrox and 5% spiro at night.

To date they didn't work so great, but bear in mind my DHT doubled in the course of 1 month.

[rick055]

Originally Posted by MacDonnell

Rick,

I had the same problem with the gels. Switched to shots and my hair stopped thinning (and even grew back)!

Mac

That is just great to hear. I switched to shots a month ago. I know DHT isn't "bad" for you - with the possible exception of hairloss - but I hope mine gets in range. I was at the high end of range pre TRT (with low T!!!)

[joejoebaggins]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

DHEA, 20 mgs per day, caused my hair to thicken and to darken -- i.e., less gray. It also causes me beard growth to be more course.

Jinxie, do you have MPB or general hair loss?

[rick055]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

DHEA, 20 mgs per day, caused my hair to thicken and to darken -- i.e., less gray. It also causes me beard growth to be more course.

Funny you should say that.

Since I've started TRT (which included DHEA and pregnenolone), I've notice some changes in my hair characteristics, too.

I was trimming some hair on my arms, made an error, and wound up shaving it all off because I couldn't get it even.

It took FOREVER to grow back and it came in very sparsely; usually it grows like a weed and thinck (why I trim it to begin with).

Literally, it took 3 months for it to come back to -mostly- normal.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Listening to presentation on estrogen menagement, I have made notes of what influences estrogen pathways.
Unorganized list is below.
You can buy the presentation and watch/listen to it:
It is one year or so old, so it is rather new.

And as usual, diferent pathways are infuenced by different supplement.
The test reveal which pathways are in need of help and which pathways are doing ok.

Look at attchment here, it shows pathways.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/570645-post6.html
================================================== ====================
-----------------------------------------------------------
NutrEval discussed
EW04 - NUTRITIONAL EVALUATION: Understanding Your Patient's Supplement Needs
A4M :: Conference Library
A4M :: Conference Library
Conference: A4M Las Vegas 2006
Speaker: Patrick Hanaway, MD
December 7, 2006 6:00 pm - 9:00 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Estroessence discussed:

GS02m - Estrogen Metabolism: Modifying Risk in Clinical Practice
Conference: A4M Orlando 2006
Speaker: Patrick Hanaway MD
Length: 31m 07s - 66 Slides
April 9, 2006 5:00 pm - 5:40 pm
--------------------------------------------------



================================================== ====================
flaxseed (ligans not oil)
omega-3
soy isoflavones (specially in equal producers of 2-OHE and 16-OHE)
I3C (sounds as if I3C is to be used and let the body produce a DIM from it, direct DIM is less sure way, but not to be excluded)
DIM
rosemary, turmeric, kudzu (anti inflamatory)
strenous exercise
weight loss (I am guessing more like a fat loss)

(SAMe & Mg magnesium)
also low folate or high Homocystine (Hcy?) decrease COMT
(Folate, B12, B6, riboflavone)
NAC N-acetil-cystine, L-glutamine, glycine, Mg, (methionine or SAMe)
(alpha lipoic acid, silymarin=Milk Thisle, ginko biloba, whey protein)
Brassica diet
Allium diet (garlic, onions)
I3C-400mg qD
Fish Oils 2gm EPA/DHA BID
Resveratrol -150mg qD
Green Tea extract (EGGCG) 125-250mg qD latter witholded
Alpha-Lipoic acid 300mg BID
B-50 Supplement with B6, B12, & Folate
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg BID
Emphasize cruciferous vegetables in diet

Good Post

I suspect and have posted on this numerous times that bad estrogen metabolites are probably at play when it comes to hairloss.

I also suspect that very low DHT, or very high DHT will also cause hairloss.

Low DHEA would be suspect for hairloss as well.

The only way high DHEA would cause hairloss would be in an event when it is coupled with high T and high DHT

Coincidentally, DHT is protective against excessive estrogen.

Progesterone is protective against excessive DHT

Pregnenolone is used to make both progesterone and DHEA

[jinxie1]

JJB, my hair loss is around the crown, so I guess it could be deemed MPB. However, the character of my hair has changed (it used to be coarser). As mentioned, I believe the DHEA helped some -- I now take 50 mgs, time-released. I also use Minoxodil. It's largely preemptive -- overall, I'm blessed with a good head of hair for my age. Good luck.

[joejoebaggins]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

JJB, my hair loss is around the crown, so I guess it could be deemed MPB. However, the character of my hair has changed (it used to be coarser). As mentioned, I believe the DHEA helped some -- I now take 50 mgs, time-released. I also use Minoxodil. It's largely preemptive -- overall, I'm blessed with a good head of hair for my age. Good luck.

Thanks Jinxie