Dr Michael Scally

[mxim]

as i posted earlier,i was using 10mgs of nolvadex for almost 2 months. the effects on my T levels were minimal at best,however,i did get my levels tested and should have the results in a few days. i strongly feel that clomid exerts more of an effect on the hypothalymus(LH stimulation). after using nolvadex,i still felt weak and frail and last week started hcg every mon-wed-fri at 300iu. i have to tell you,the hcg is making a huge difference;more energy,much better libido... as for clomid and why i have'nt opted for its use,i am concerned about long term vision problems. is there any evidence that vision problems from clomid can be permanant? also,with regard to nolvadex,i know it works as an estrogen at certain area's of the body,can that have any negative effects?
thanks

[Madball99]

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[MongolHahn]

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[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by mxim

as i posted earlier,i was using 10mgs of nolvadex for almost 2 months. the effects on my T levels were minimal at best,however,i did get my levels tested and should have the results in a few days. i strongly feel that clomid exerts more of an effect on the hypothalymus(LH stimulation). after using nolvadex,i still felt weak and frail and last week started hcg every mon-wed-fri at 300iu. i have to tell you,the hcg is making a huge difference;more energy,much better libido... as for clomid and why i have'nt opted for its use,i am concerned about long term vision problems. is there any evidence that vision problems from clomid can be permanant? also,with regard to nolvadex,i know it works as an estrogen at certain area's of the body,can that have any negative effects?
thanks

I think the bottom line here is Clomid did not do the job and is not good for long term TRT if this is what your looking for. The HCG seams to be doing the job it took me 15 shots at 500 IU's 3 times a week but wow my levels jumped way up. I have heard the the flouters you get in your eye can be a big problem. SWALE had some info on Cloimd sides do a search.

[Madball99]

How do I do a search on this site for Swale's Clomid sides info ??

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Madball99

How do I do a search on this site for Swale's Clomid sides info ??

You go to the top tool bar and click on search this forum. I input SWALE Clomid and got this.

Clomid often induces untoward visual effects (i.e. “tracers”), and can cause emotional lability by virtue of its estrogen agonistic effects at the more peripheral (emotion) brain sites.

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Side effect of TRT??

Here is a link to the search.
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/searc...earchid=185412

[asih.net]

Originally Posted by mxim

as i posted earlier,i was using 10mgs of nolvadex for almost 2 months. the effects on my T levels were minimal at best,however,i did get my levels tested and should have the results in a few days. i strongly feel that clomid exerts more of an effect on the hypothalymus(LH stimulation). after using nolvadex,i still felt weak and frail and last week started hcg every mon-wed-fri at 300iu. i have to tell you,the hcg is making a huge difference;more energy,much better libido... as for clomid and why i have'nt opted for its use,i am concerned about long term vision problems. is there any evidence that vision problems from clomid can be permanant? also,with regard to nolvadex,i know it works as an estrogen at certain area's of the body,can that have any negative effects?
thanks

Without knowing why you were using tamoxifen for 2 months it is difficult to make a knowledgeable response. However, in general tamoxifen does not induce significant increases in LH and secondarily T in many individuals. This would be particularly true at a dose of 10mg per day. This dose would almost be without any effect in most individuals. I would never use Tamoxifen by itself as a treatment to raise T levels.
Clomid does work better at raising LH and secondarily T levels than tamoxifen. Clomid acts as a partial agonist/antagonist at the hypothalamic pituitary level. Tamoxifen acts as an estrogen blocker and is not known to have any agonist effect on estradiol. This will assist in blocking the effect of estradiol production from Clomid. Clomid does have ocular side effects which will disappear with discontinuation of the medication. This seems to appear with doses of 100mg or greater per day. I do not recommend a dose greater than 100 mg per day. There are no studies that show an increased effectiveness at greater doses.
hCG will produce T by direct stimulation of the Leydig cells so it I not surpassing that you felt better after beginning this medication. This brings back the initial question as to the reason for using the medications. It is not possible to comment on their use without knowing the underlying cause.
Peace

Mike