Drinking booze while on TRT

[The_Skeptic]

I've always enjoyed drinking, but I know it contributes to high E levels. Sometimes when I drink, it actually seems to level my hormones out. Other times, it's not so good.

Do those of you who are on TRT have a strict regimen about not drinking or are you able to drink on occassions?

Does moderation help or does drinking two beers send your E levels rising the same as drinking two six-packs?

Does beer affect aromization differently than wine or liquor?

Would taking arimidex or nolvadex prevent E levels from rising while drinking?

[Albert]

From my limited knowledge, moderate drinking on occassions is not a problem.

The problem is binge drinking, I think two six-packs to often could be a problem.

Two or three glasses to be social is ok for me.
Later,
Albert.

[pmgamer18]

I never drink my dad drank my allotment but ok yes a drink once in a wile should not hurt. But to drink daily with the problmes we have I don't think so.

[LiquidGib]

Originally Posted by Albert

From my limited knowledge, moderate drinking on occassions is not a problem.

The problem is binge drinking, I think two six-packs to often could be a problem.

Two or three glasses to be social is ok for me.
Later,
Albert.

I am suprised you participate in the consumption of alcohol.

[SPE]

I drink dark beer or red wine fairly regularly(not over-doing it though). Look at the Italians. They drink wine, most in moderation and live quite healthy lives. I also agree it's an individual thing.

[1cc]

I drank about a bottle of wine yesterday (first time in ages) and started DHEA a couple days ago 25mg. Yesterday evening I had nipple sensitivity on the right nipple, which I last experienced a long time ago when my E2 was a little high. Now I'm not sure if it was the wine or the DHEA that raised my Estrogen and caused the nipple sensitivity. I think it was the wine.

[Albert]

Originally Posted by LiquidGib

I am suprised you participate in the consumption of alcohol.

Come on LiqidGib, don't make me laugh ................I'm not a total wanker.

Hey, a little drink here and there does not hurt, besides last time I look beer was not an Illegal and this is not an AA group, is it?

Later,
Albert.

[LiquidGib]

Originally Posted by Albert

Come on LiqidGib, don't make me laugh ................I'm not a total wanker.

Hey, a little drink here and there does not hurt, besides last time I look beer was not an Illegal and this is not an AA group, is it?

Later,
Albert.

hehe

[hackskii]

Man, a drink or two wont hurt you at all in fact can aid in fat loss.
The problem is abuse.
I drink and am on TRT.
It seems to me like it raises my BP the next day some.

everything in moderation.....I have heard it does raise estregen but who knows how much.
I heard weed raises estrogen too.
Damn, I got to get new hobbies

I hear cruciferous block some estrogen along with zinc, DIMM, chrysin.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Man, a drink or two wont hurt you at all in fact can aid in fat loss.

I didn't know that. How does that happen? I know weed raises estrogen because all it takes is one hit, and my libido is shot.

But I've gone through phases where I smoked to help with my insomia.

[SPE]

I do believe that small amounts of alcohol can help with blood sugar. Maybe that's what he's referring to.

[hackskii]

Alcohol And Fat Metabolism:
From metabolic diet


The main problem with alcohol is not the number of calories it contains but rather the effect is has on fat metabolism. A recent study, for example, has shown that even small amounts of alcohol has a large impact on fat metabolism.

In this study eight men were given two drinks of vodka and lemonade separated by 30 minutes. Each drink contained just under 90 calories. Fat metabolism was measured before and after consumption of the drink. For several hours after drinking the vodka, whole body lipid oxidation (a measure of how much fat your body is burning) dropped by 73%.

The reason why alcohol has this dramatic effect on fat metabolism has to do with the way alcohol is handled in the body. When alcohol is consumed, it readily passes from the stomach and intestines into the blood and goes to the liver. In the liver, an enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenase mediates the conversion of alcohol to acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is rapidly converted to acetate by other enzymes. So rather than getting stored as fat, the main fate of alcohol is conversion into acetate, the amount of acetate formed is dose dependant on the amount of alcohol consumed. For example, blood levels of acetate after drinking the vodka were 2.5 times higher than normal. And it appears this sharp rise in acetate puts the brakes on fat loss.

The type of fuel your body uses is dictated to some extent by availability. This is one of the reasons for the induction phase of the Metabolic Diet. By severely limiting your carb intake your body is forced to rev up it’s fat burning machinery, so that you become fat adapted, and increase the use of protein for some of the functions, such as anaplerosis, that carbs are usually heavily involved in.

In other words, your body tends to use whatever you feed it, and after a time becomes adapted to the macronutrient intake. Unfortunately when acetate levels rise, your body burns the acetate preferentially, since acetate is basically the same product of beta oxidation of fatty acids and glycolysis (glucose to pyruvate to acetate), but it doesn’t’ require the metabolic work to produce. So the body simply burns the acetate first, and with the rapid rise seen with alcohol intake, basically pushes fat oxidation out of the metabolic equation.

Because acetate is readily formed from alcohol it can be worse than taking in carbs as far as affecting fat metabolism. That’s because glucose has to be sequentially metabolized through various steps to form acetate while acetate is formed from alcohol in just a few steps. Also alcohol, because of it can be considered part way between carbs and fats, has more calories than carbs. That’s why even the low carb beers contain under 100 calories even though they only have about 2.5 grams of carbs and .5 grams of protein. While the carbs and protein only make up 12 calories, the 12 grams of alcohol make up the remaining 80 or so calories.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Alcohol And Fat Metabolism:
From metabolic diet


The main problem with alcohol is not the number of calories it contains but rather the effect is has on fat metabolism. A recent study, for example, has shown that even small amounts of alcohol has a large impact on fat metabolism.

In this study eight men were given two drinks of vodka and lemonade separated by 30 minutes. Each drink contained just under 90 calories. Fat metabolism was measured before and after consumption of the drink. For several hours after drinking the vodka, whole body lipid oxidation (a measure of how much fat your body is burning) dropped by 73%.

The reason why alcohol has this dramatic effect on fat metabolism has to do with the way alcohol is handled in the body. When alcohol is consumed, it readily passes from the stomach and intestines into the blood and goes to the liver. In the liver, an enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenase mediates the conversion of alcohol to acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is rapidly converted to acetate by other enzymes. So rather than getting stored as fat, the main fate of alcohol is conversion into acetate, the amount of acetate formed is dose dependant on the amount of alcohol consumed. For example, blood levels of acetate after drinking the vodka were 2.5 times higher than normal. And it appears this sharp rise in acetate puts the brakes on fat loss.

The type of fuel your body uses is dictated to some extent by availability. This is one of the reasons for the induction phase of the Metabolic Diet. By severely limiting your carb intake your body is forced to rev up it’s fat burning machinery, so that you become fat adapted, and increase the use of protein for some of the functions, such as anaplerosis, that carbs are usually heavily involved in.

In other words, your body tends to use whatever you feed it, and after a time becomes adapted to the macronutrient intake. Unfortunately when acetate levels rise, your body burns the acetate preferentially, since acetate is basically the same product of beta oxidation of fatty acids and glycolysis (glucose to pyruvate to acetate), but it doesn’t’ require the metabolic work to produce. So the body simply burns the acetate first, and with the rapid rise seen with alcohol intake, basically pushes fat oxidation out of the metabolic equation.

Because acetate is readily formed from alcohol it can be worse than taking in carbs as far as affecting fat metabolism. That’s because glucose has to be sequentially metabolized through various steps to form acetate while acetate is formed from alcohol in just a few steps. Also alcohol, because of it can be considered part way between carbs and fats, has more calories than carbs. That’s why even the low carb beers contain under 100 calories even though they only have about 2.5 grams of carbs and .5 grams of protein. While the carbs and protein only make up 12 calories, the 12 grams of alcohol make up the remaining 80 or so calories.

Thanks for posting this study but it's a little confusing.

Originally Posted by hackskii

For several hours after drinking the vodka, whole body lipid oxidation (a measure of how much fat your body is burning) dropped by 73%.

This makes it sounds as if you'll be burning less fat after drinking.

Originally Posted by hackskii

So rather than getting stored as fat, the main fate of alcohol is conversion into acetate, the amount of acetate formed is dose dependant on the amount of alcohol consumed. For example, blood levels of acetate after drinking the vodka were 2.5 times higher than normal. And it appears this sharp rise in acetate puts the brakes on fat loss.

But this makes it sound as if you'll lose weight.

Originally Posted by hackskii

So the body simply burns the acetate first, and with the rapid rise seen with alcohol intake, basically pushes fat oxidation out of the metabolic equation.

And I guess this says that the more you drink, the less fat you will burn.

[Annularnos]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

Thanks for posting this study but it's a little confusing.

It seems clear to me.

[hackskii]

Yes, the more you drink the less fat you will lose.


If you are in ketosis, you will be kicked out after some alcohol consumption.


Moderation is key here.
No sense in pushing the envelope