Feeling like CRAP!!!

[DaVinci2]

I was taken off the TRT because after sperm count it showed zero. I don't know why the doc thinks coming off will help that much. Anyway, after 2 weeks being off I'm starting to feel like crap. I'm irritated, tired...just not pleasent to be around. Anything I can do to make myself feel better..

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

I was taken off the TRT because after sperm count it showed zero. I don't know why the doc thinks coming off will help that much. Anyway, after 2 weeks being off I'm starting to feel like crap. I'm irritated, tired...just not pleasent to be around. Anything I can do to make myself feel better..

What are you trying to do make a kid if so then try to tough it out for 1 to 2 more weeks and see it she gets Pregnant then go back on TRT. If your trying to just bring up sperm count so you can Freeze it to use late in a week or two have you sperm tested. Do you know if your Primary some men that are can't make a kid before going on TRT. So what are you trying to do.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

I was taken off the TRT because after sperm count it showed zero. I don't know why the doc thinks coming off will help that much. Anyway, after 2 weeks being off I'm starting to feel like crap. I'm irritated, tired...just not pleasent to be around. Anything I can do to make myself feel better..

I have withdrawn from TRT twice, cold turkey. Both times, I started to feel lousy, just as you say, after about two weeks. But both times, I also started to feel better again pretty quickly--a week or less.

[pcgizzmo]

Why not talk to your Doc about HCG? Besides being approved for fertility in men and women it can increase testosterone and sperm production. There is no need to feel like crap just because you want to increase sperm count and have a kid.


Paul

[farmerjohn]

I agree, the HCG is worth a try. Even men coming off a steroid cycle use it to reduce the time before they get back to normal. If you are secondary you will never get back to normal or have a normal sperm count without HCG or HCM or something to stimulate the testicles.

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

What are you trying to do make a kid if so then try to tough it out for 1 to 2 more weeks and see it she gets Pregnant then go back on TRT. If your trying to just bring up sperm count so you can Freeze it to use late in a week or two have you sperm tested. Do you know if your Primary some men that are can't make a kid before going on TRT. So what are you trying to do.

My options are limited because I live in Japan, a place where treating people with TRT is rare. I had my fertility checked at the 3 month mark, just to check. The doctor said "You have no sperm." Well, my wife wants a kid...so my doctor said "Go off the TRT for a few weeks and lets see how much TRT played a role." My sperm count was ZERO? NOTHING! I was scared. I spent the first week doing my best baby making...but nothing, and this week I'm just too out of it.

I go back to the doctors in 2 weeks. He'll check me out again and tell me if my count has changed. I'm going back on the TRT regardless. From my research, men with zero sperm count can be at zero because they either have NO SPERM, or they do but the sperm are blocked from entering and mixing with the ejaculate. If this is the case, the I've got a few other options. If not...well...I don't know...

So for men with primary (I still don't know if I'm primary or secondary, like I said my doctor is new to all this as well) could that be the reason I don't have sperm and could raised test help? I can't ask my doctor for HCG because he will only give it to me in 3000iu shots...apparently that's THEIR protocol.

[masterpp]

sorry to disappoint but i think one needs all the opinions. im only 19, but i decided to come off trt to try and bank sperm. if your count shows zero, as it will if you are using trt, 3 weeks will not be enough. the testis in my experience take nearer 4 months to start producing again.

i bit the bullet and decided to wait it out. it was a tough 6 months, but i got some decent sperm samples into storage, and now i can relax and just juice up.

in terms of how to cope with the interim,i tried everything and nothing really helped. i tried alll kinds of thinks like nettel root to lower shbg and free up some of my testosterone, and i used zinc to lower estrogen, but the results were fairly minimal.

however, i got some comfort from an odd combination of green tea, zinc, gotukola and strangely enough vit c. some people also benefit fromst johns wart, but it didnt do anything for me as my levels were so low.

apart from that all i can say is that i felt very relieved to have stuff banked for insurance, and its a bit of wait of my mind. but as they guys have said, if you are an easy going guy, not too neurotic, then you may be ok waiting, and just adding hcg for a couple of months when you think you may want children.

i was far too ocd for that, so i knew i had to bank first to put my mind at rest. now ive banked all ive got to worry about is my hair falling out

as an addition, it is not really clear wether exogenous t aids sperm production. obviously its stops it completely when used without hcg, but when hcg and trt are combined, although there is a filter which prevents the expgenous t reaching the testicles, i still believe from reading other peoples stories, and indeed from my own experience, that the effect of t vrilisation aids sperm production when used with hcg

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

My options are limited because I live in Japan, a place where treating people with TRT is rare. I had my fertility checked at the 3 month mark, just to check. The doctor said "You have no sperm." Well, my wife wants a kid...so my doctor said "Go off the TRT for a few weeks and lets see how much TRT played a role." My sperm count was ZERO? NOTHING! I was scared. I spent the first week doing my best baby making...but nothing, and this week I'm just too out of it.

I go back to the doctors in 2 weeks. He'll check me out again and tell me if my count has changed. I'm going back on the TRT regardless. From my research, men with zero sperm count can be at zero because they either have NO SPERM, or they do but the sperm are blocked from entering and mixing with the ejaculate. If this is the case, the I've got a few other options. If not...well...I don't know...

So for men with primary (I still don't know if I'm primary or secondary, like I said my doctor is new to all this as well) could that be the reason I don't have sperm and could raised test help? I can't ask my doctor for HCG because he will only give it to me in 3000iu shots...apparently that's THEIR protocol.

Would it be possable for you to do a Clomid Stim test. It's in the AACE Guildlines best to do it now that your off TRT or an HCG stim test. The info in this link are on page 5 if you can get 3000 IU's of HCG do a HCG stim test.
http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf
To find out if your Primary meaning your Testis doin't work of Secondary you have a pituitary problem. If your Primary and your testis were not very big before your trt then there is a good chance your sprim was bad before TRT. I have stopped TRT 7 times and it gets bad at 2 weeks the gets better but in most cases you will only go back to what your levels were before TRT and you will feel about the same.

[DaVinci2]

I can get some clomid (not from my doctor) but legally non the less. Thanks for the link...I'll see what happens. I did have my testes checked a few months back when I thought I had some kind of urinary infection (Burning pee)...I had an ultrasound or something done to the testes and shaft. Doc said nothing was out of the ordinary and that my testes were the right size.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

I can get some clomid (not from my doctor) but legally non the less. Thanks for the link...I'll see what happens. I did have my testes checked a few months back when I thought I had some kind of urinary infection (Burning pee)...I had an ultrasound or something done to the testes and shaft. Doc said nothing was out of the ordinary and that my testes were the right size.

Then do this your off TRT do the HCG Stim test and if your levels go way up your testis work and you could have a pituitary problem.
http://www.pituitary.org.uk/resources/pit-gland.htm
You did say they can give you HCG 3000 IU's that is good enough to do the test.

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Then do this your off TRT do the HCG Stim test and if your levels go way up your testis work and you could have a pituitary problem.
http://www.pituitary.org.uk/resources/pit-gland.htm
You did say they can give you HCG 3000 IU's that is good enough to do the test.

Wouldn't 3000iu's desensitize my testes?? I thought an injection in that amount would do that. When I say I can get 3000iu's, that's in ONE SINGLE shot. They won't do any less, the doctor doesn't feel it's necessary and won't AT ALL consider a smaller dosage.

[pcgizzmo]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

Wouldn't 3000iu's desensitize my testes?? I thought an injection in that amount would do that. When I say I can get 3000iu's, that's in ONE SINGLE shot. They won't do any less, the doctor doesn't feel it's necessary and won't AT ALL consider a smaller dosage.

One shot that large should not harm your testis. You don't want to do it every day for weeks but 3000 should not hurt them.

Paul

[pmgamer18]

It is a Stimulation and it's in the link I gave you from the AACE Guildlines this test is done before men go on TRT to see if there Testis work and if they do then they start checking your PItuitary glaind. This test should not harm you. But will tell you why your low as to being Primary or Secondary. Most men that are Primary have a lot less chance making a kid.

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

It is a Stimulation and it's in the link I gave you from the AACE Guildlines this test is done before men go on TRT to see if there Testis work and if they do then they start checking your PItuitary glaind. This test should not harm you. But will tell you why your low as to being Primary or Secondary. Most men that are Primary have a lot less chance making a kid.

I haven't had time to read the link, but I will. Can I ask before reading it...is 5000iu too much at once. I'm not 100 percent sure but that may be an only choice as well...if it is, I want to make sure it's safe. Thanks for the link though...I will check it out.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

I haven't had time to read the link, but I will. Can I ask before reading it...is 5000iu too much at once. I'm not 100 percent sure but that may be an only choice as well...if it is, I want to make sure it's safe. Thanks for the link though...I will check it out.

I think in the link they use this much. It's all on page 5.