A few questions (basic stuff, but would be good to know)

[Sargovar]

As the title implies:

1. Is there really no other medium of application for HCG besides injecting? If not, will Androxal, being a sort of oral HPTA stimulant, be a feasible alternative for HCG once it becomes available? I'm asking since it would greatly simplify TRT (especially for those who have no access to HCG): just load up on testosterone once a week, and pop a couple of Androxal pills over the next few days to keep your own engine running (or, if you're strictly secondary, manage fine on Androxal alone, if it lives up to its reputation!).

2. If a person shows high FT3 and FT4 readings (top of the normal range) in the presence of high normal TSH (2.5 - 3.5) and low salivary cortisol, could it be feasible that his thyroid output is adequate as is, especially given normal body temperatures, and that he could manage with a little auxiliary hydrocortisone without needing armour thyroid? Am I right to assume that the added HC would improve cellular uptake of the thyroid hormones in the blood, and perhaps bring down TSH into healthier numbers, easing the burden of the thyroid? Also, it should be mentioned that in this particular case, all antibodies, both serum and saliva, tested negative.

3. Does a low stimulant threshold (ieasily get the caffeine jitters from just one or two cups of regular coffee) indicate an adrenal problem? I'm confused about this, because some say that a high stimulant threshold is more telling of adrenal fatigue; i.e. needing lots of caffeine to feel its stimulating effects.

[Sargovar]

Anybody have an answer to these (or just one of them)?

They would be important for me to know, because I have an upcoming appointment with a leading endo who is supposed to be savvy on matters of male hormonal health, and I must have a gameplan to face him (that includes covering all my bases, arming myself with knowledge and trying my best to eliminate all ambiguities, so as to present a cohesive, well structured and thoroughly researched case to him).

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Sargovar

As the title implies:

1. Is there really no other medium of application for HCG besides injecting? If not, will Androxal, being a sort of oral HPTA stimulant, be a feasible alternative for HCG once it becomes available? I'm asking since it would greatly simplify TRT (especially for those who have no access to HCG): just load up on testosterone once a week, and pop a couple of Androxal pills over the next few days to keep your own engine running (or, if you're strictly secondary, manage fine on Androxal alone, if it lives up to its reputation!).

This is some thing that I an not familar with, but Hcg is relatively easily accessed though proper channels., but I only advise being used under drs supervision. How you get it thats a whole other story, if dr write you a script you can legally get it out from out side sources and not fear haing the DEA intrude.

2. If a person shows high FT3 and FT4 readings (top of the normal range) in the presence of high normal TSH (2.5 - 3.5) and low salivary cortisol, could it be feasible that his thyroid output is adequate as is, especially given normal body temperatures, and that he could manage with a little auxiliary hydrocortisone without needing armour thyroid? Am I right to assume that the added HC would improve cellular uptake of the thyroid hormones in the blood, and perhaps bring down TSH into healthier numbers, easing the burden of the thyroid? Also, it should be mentioned that in this particular case, all antibodies, both serum and saliva, tested negative.


ALso examining ,ferritin, copper, as well as rt3 would be advisible, If you are low on cortisol all through out the day your dr may want to run a 24 hour urinary to reverify this and then can legally prescribe you proper medication.
HC id urinary is low would be the proper modality in this situtation which means possible to over come cellular resistance from what ever the cause. Copper and proper iron balance is also essntial to help over come cellular resistance


3. Does a low stimulant threshold (ieasily get the caffeine jitters from just one or two cups of regular coffee) indicate an adrenal problem? I'm confused about this, because some say that a high stimulant threshold is more telling of adrenal fatigue; i.e. needing lots of caffeine to feel its stimulating effects.


Add in 500 -1000 mgs of tyrosine and it will over come this caffine resistance.
I cut all my prework out supplements in half add tyroisine 1000 mgs and 40 mgs of caffine and i am bouncing off the walls for 30-45 minutes then I taper down

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[Sargovar]

Thanks HAN!

Sadly, the use of HCG in conjunction with testosterone therapy is pretty much unheard of here (Finland), I will, however, present valid documentation to the endo to demonstrate beyond any doubt its absolute necessity. If I can produce 400-500 ng/dl of endogenous test, it only makes sense to keep that production alive and top it off with another 400-500 T from an exogenous source. That is, of course, as long as my balls will respond to the HCG. My LH was above range at 8.8, and I suffer from occasional bouts of testicular pain, so I'm thinking something may be broken down there.

Alright, ferritin, copper, rt3 and iron are on the list! There could certainly be something going on copper wise, as I have never taken it in supplement form; only zinc (though just 30 mgs of it per day). I had a relatively high AM blood cortisol reading (626 nmol on a range of 150 - 650), but that means nothing.. could have just been from the stress of being poked with a needle, plus a few stressors I had to contend with that morning before the blood draw. Both saliva cortisol tests came back low, with a negligible morning spike, followed by low readings for the rest of the day. I have also wanted to test urinary cortisol to determine what I put out over the course of a day.

Will add tyrosine to my regimen, also!

[hardasnails1973]

Stop all supplements 7 days before your blood test.