Gels to Injections T amounts?

[magic8989]

I am just starting to switch from the gels to the injections. I was on 10g of androgel daily and this made my levels flucuation. On some lab results i would get in the 600 for total T and a few i was almost over the top for total T. I made sure to take a shower before getting my lab results each time as well to make sure the gel was not on my arms. My question is my doc said the conversion from the gel to injections can be hard and he is starting me on 100mg of depo test twice weekly. Is 200mg a week too high of a dose? I know everyone is different but from most of what i have read on here many do not go this high. I also asked about E2 and he said it is possible and will see me again in 8 weeks. As a precaution i am going to keep taking my DIM/Indplex and TMG though as i have been taking this for a bout 4 weeks. My E2 a few months ago was 29 so i am a little worried about it.


Thoughts?

[farmerjohn]

200 mg weekly seems pretty high compared to 10g of androgel daily. If my memory is right from when I was on androgel, 10g daily is supposed to deliver 10 mg to the bloodstream. Of course that probably varies a lot from person to person but I think thats what the insert with androgel said. If you have the insert, read it over, I know its in there. So if my memory was right that would be about 70 mg per week you were getting. Now you're going to 200 mg per week. E2 of 29 is great but on this dose of T it will probably go up.

[1cc]

Start out at 100mg per week. You may actually need even less than 100mg per week, which you can determine after labs. If you do your shots every 3 days then it works out to 43mg every 3 days, which works out to 100mg per week. Doing the shots SubQ will lead to less Estrogen conversion and more stable levels.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by magic8989

I am just starting to switch from the gels to the injections. I was on 10g of androgel daily and this made my levels flucuation. On some lab results i would get in the 600 for total T and a few i was almost over the top for total T. I made sure to take a shower before getting my lab results each time as well to make sure the gel was not on my arms. My question is my doc said the conversion from the gel to injections can be hard and he is starting me on 100mg of depo test twice weekly. Is 200mg a week too high of a dose? I know everyone is different but from most of what i have read on here many do not go this high. I also asked about E2 and he said it is possible and will see me again in 8 weeks. As a precaution i am going to keep taking my DIM/Indplex and TMG though as i have been taking this for a bout 4 weeks. My E2 a few months ago was 29 so i am a little worried about it.


Thoughts?

Injections should result in higher fluctuation than gell application.
To reduce fluctuations you would have to go to pellets.

I guess that your tests are somewhat suspect.

With gells or pellets you may not need AI or very little of it.

Read posts by Vforcer2 on this thread:
Lower Ejaculate volume on HCG
he reports on his use of pellets.

I am using 10g Androgel for the last 3 years. My E2 situation was messed up by my use of AI without enough tests. I am out of AI for the last month, feel much better. My lattest blood test results should be available in few days.

[zumper]

200 mg a/week is too much for TRT.Why not combine Gel with HCG.

[magic8989]

Originally Posted by zumper

200 mg a/week is too much for TRT.Why not combine Gel with HCG.

I do plan on doing Hcg and was going to start it but i want to get my levels balanced first.

Thanks for all the advice fellas. I see how i feel over the next few days and start out at 100mg per week and increase if i feel a sudden drop. I will keep taking my DIM/Indoplex and TMG when need be. I have been taking it either every other day or 1/2 a pill of each a day based on my symptoms. I have found things get out of balance when i get bad lower back pain and more acne on my forehead. I will keep things updated. Thanks again.

[marianco]

Originally Posted by magic8989

I am just starting to switch from the gels to the injections. I was on 10g of androgel daily and this made my levels flucuation. On some lab results i would get in the 600 for total T and a few i was almost over the top for total T. I made sure to take a shower before getting my lab results each time as well to make sure the gel was not on my arms. My question is my doc said the conversion from the gel to injections can be hard and he is starting me on 100mg of depo test twice weekly. Is 200mg a week too high of a dose? I know everyone is different but from most of what i have read on here many do not go this high. I also asked about E2 and he said it is possible and will see me again in 8 weeks. As a precaution i am going to keep taking my DIM/Indplex and TMG though as i have been taking this for a bout 4 weeks. My E2 a few months ago was 29 so i am a little worried about it.


Thoughts?

100 mg a week of Depo-testosterone is a good starting dose and is often equivalent to 10 grams of Androgel a day, in achieving a good total testosterone level.

[magic8989]

Originally Posted by marianco

Quote:
Originally Posted by magic8989
I am just starting to switch from the gels to the injections. I was on 10g of androgel daily and this made my levels flucuation. On some lab results i would get in the 600 for total T and a few i was almost over the top for total T. I made sure to take a shower before getting my lab results each time as well to make sure the gel was not on my arms. My question is my doc said the conversion from the gel to injections can be hard and he is starting me on 100mg of depo test twice weekly. Is 200mg a week too high of a dose? I know everyone is different but from most of what i have read on here many do not go this high. I also asked about E2 and he said it is possible and will see me again in 8 weeks. As a precaution i am going to keep taking my DIM/Indplex and TMG though as i have been taking this for a bout 4 weeks. My E2 a few months ago was 29 so i am a little worried about it.


Thoughts?

100 mg a week of Depo-testosterone is a good starting dose and is often equivalent to 10 grams of Androgel a day, in achieving a good total testosterone level.

Thanks for you input. I know most docs are stupid but i wonder why mine started me off so high. Thus far he has been very good about my HRT with the gels at least and he does not base everything off of the lab results so this makes me wonder.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by magic8989

I am just starting to switch from the gels to the injections. I was on 10g of androgel daily and this made my levels flucuation. On some lab results i would get in the 600 for total T and a few i was almost over the top for total T. I made sure to take a shower before getting my lab results each time as well to make sure the gel was not on my arms. My question is my doc said the conversion from the gel to injections can be hard and he is starting me on 100mg of depo test twice weekly. Is 200mg a week too high of a dose? I know everyone is different but from most of what i have read on here many do not go this high. I also asked about E2 and he said it is possible and will see me again in 8 weeks. As a precaution i am going to keep taking my DIM/Indplex and TMG though as i have been taking this for a bout 4 weeks. My E2 a few months ago was 29 so i am a little worried about it.


Thoughts?

does this problem come from AAS cycles or just a natural thing

[marianco]

Originally Posted by magic8989

Thanks for you input. I know most docs are stupid but i wonder why mine started me off so high. Thus far he has been very good about my HRT with the gels at least and he does not base everything off of the lab results so this makes me wonder.

The primary guidelines for testosterone replacement using Depo-testosterone use a starting dose equivalent to 100 mg/week. I am not sure if your doctor is aware of this. 200 mg a week for a starting dose would only be appropriate for a person proven to have a short half-life of about 3-4 days for Depo-testosterone.

[magic8989]

Originally Posted by MANWHORE

does this problem come from AAS cycles or just a natural thing

Mine is natural. I have a small beinge pituitary tumor that has shrunk quite a bit since i got it so i am secondary hypogonadism. I have been on HRT for about a year now and still have not gotten things where i want them to be but i am still much better off than when i started. I also am hypothyroid too so that doesnt help. Eventually i do plan on adding Hcg to my protocol cuz i have finally noticed my "boys" are a little smaller than they used to be.

Originally Posted by marianco

The primary guidelines for testosterone replacement using Depo-testosterone use a starting dose equivalent to 100 mg/week. I am not sure if your doctor is aware of this. 200 mg a week for a starting dose would only be appropriate for a person proven to have a short half-life of about 3-4 days for Depo-testosterone

Thanks again. I do wonder how informed he is about the guidelines though. My levels with the gel last time were only a little higher over the normal range so maybe he things i need the extra amount. Who knows though. Either way i will stick with the advice given to me by everyone and see how i feel. If i start to feel crappy i'll just up the dose a little.