Getting my Test back up after long term AAS

[Ronin_]

Hi guys, how was Christmas?

I finished a test only cycle with by the half lives all steroids out my system a month ago, and I got blood tests back after 3 weeks of clomid therapy...

My total test was 87, healthy normal is about 800...

Ive been using 100mg of Clomid ED for the last month..

My doc did a LH test, from that LH releasing hormone couldnt get my pituitary to release LH, basically he said it was asleep and still shut down..

What else can I do except keep pounding the Clomid??

My libido is ZERO and I need to take Viagra if I want to fuck!! Not good.

I'm wondering if my natural test has ever bounced back fully, as I have cycled 8 weeks on 8 weeks off for a long time, about 4 years

I used HCG 500IU ED for 10 days after the cycle with concurrent clomid use,

I felt an increase in test from the HCG which has fallen since as my LH was basically zero 10 days later so my HPTA hasnt picked back up

What regime can you advise to try and get back my system back up and running?

I was going to continue with 100mg clomid and add 20mg nolvas ED, and get another test in one month

[armsports]

Swale will set you straight on what to do. For what it's worth, I recall a study from the journal Med Sci Sports Exer a few years back where a combo of intense HCG/clomid therapy restored normal functioning. One fellow I think reported upwards of 10 years of continuous use, and I think it took him around 9 months to reestablish normal levels. The bottom line is it can be done. Good luck.

[Ronin_]

Originally Posted by armsports

Swale will set you straight on what to do. For what it's worth, I recall a study from the journal Med Sci Sports Exer a few years back where a combo of intense HCG/clomid therapy restored normal functioning. One fellow I think reported upwards of 10 years of continuous use, and I think it took him around 9 months to reestablish normal levels. The bottom line is it can be done. Good luck.

Thanks arms, I'll keep an eye out for him

[awolf472]

Originally Posted by Ronin_

Thanks arms, I'll keep an eye out for him

i to have felt like that, i am 49 though, it takes me a good 2 months before i start getting morning wood again on a regular basis. 3 months to really feel right, a little longer if i use tren. i no longer use clomid , just nolva post cycle. never used hcg, but i will try it on my next tren prop cycle,when i strart in a month. sounds like you need to be patient , and start taking more time off between cycles . it sucks, i know. it sucks for me, i love being on, being jacked, felling like superhorndogman . but we all have to come back to earth sometime.

[Big"D"]

hey bro i have been using aas for about 3yrs.1st cycle was 6mo on and 4wks off have done just about the same since.i have recently been clean 4 mo.i used clomid at first with no good results then called doctor he said hcg at 1500 i.u. every other day.it worked great .all is normal and horny as ever.try hcg at highh dose.

Originally Posted by Ronin_

Hi guys, how was Christmas?

I finished a test only cycle with by the half lives all steroids out my system a month ago, and I got blood tests back after 3 weeks of clomid therapy...

My total test was 87, healthy normal is about 800...

Ive been using 100mg of Clomid ED for the last month..

My doc did a LH test, from that LH releasing hormone couldnt get my pituitary to release LH, basically he said it was asleep and still shut down..

What else can I do except keep pounding the Clomid??

My libido is ZERO and I need to take Viagra if I want to fuck!! Not good.

I'm wondering if my natural test has ever bounced back fully, as I have cycled 8 weeks on 8 weeks off for a long time, about 4 years

I used HCG 500IU ED for 10 days after the cycle with concurrent clomid use,

I felt an increase in test from the HCG which has fallen since as my LH was basically zero 10 days later so my HPTA hasnt picked back up

What regime can you advise to try and get back my system back up and running?

I was going to continue with 100mg clomid and add 20mg nolvas ED, and get another test in one month

[kemo]

Basically your HCG was probably at too low of a level, followed by your Clomid being too low and too strung out.

Take HCG at 2000 for 5 days, wait 5 days, then start Clomid at 300/day for 1 week, followed by Clomid at 200/day for 1 week, followed by Clomid at 100/day for 10 days.

You obviously have a very unresponsive HPTA, therefore you need to really shock it back into shape. The HCG is not going to do anything for the axis, but it will mimic the LH to get your testes back pumping. That will raise the endogenous levels of T. Once that is back into shape, the Clomid will help restore the HPTA....however since the T levels are back up, it will have more of a baseline to target.

Remember, when it comes to restoring endogenous production, high doses for short periods works better than low doses for long periods. (within reason)

Hope this helps,

Kemo

[Ronin_]

Originally Posted by kemo

Basically your HCG was probably at too low of a level, followed by your Clomid being too low and too strung out.

Take HCG at 2000 for 5 days, wait 5 days, then start Clomid at 300/day for 1 week, followed by Clomid at 200/day for 1 week, followed by Clomid at 100/day for 10 days.

You obviously have a very unresponsive HPTA, therefore you need to really shock it back into shape. The HCG is not going to do anything for the axis, but it will mimic the LH to get your testes back pumping. That will raise the endogenous levels of T. Once that is back into shape, the Clomid will help restore the HPTA....however since the T levels are back up, it will have more of a baseline to target.

Remember, when it comes to restoring endogenous production, high doses for short periods works better than low doses for long periods. (within reason)

Hope this helps,

Kemo

That helps a great deal Kemo thanks alot.

I will start up on that regime when I get my HCG tomorrow.

My cum volume is way up from the Clomid now so hopefully it is kicking back in, but i will follow that protocol

[kemo]

Originally Posted by Ronin_

That helps a great deal Kemo thanks alot.

I will start up on that regime when I get my HCG tomorrow.

My cum volume is way up from the Clomid now so hopefully it is kicking back in, but i will follow that protocol

Let us know how it goes...

Kemo

[SWALE]

I'll just comment on a few of the points made in this thread, as I see them.

800ng/dl is more than "healthy normal". It is the top of "normal" range, depending upon the lab.

Using HCG for ten days post cycle resulted in about two weeks of HPTA suppression, so the entire length of your recovery period is actually much shorter than you expect. This is why I recommend AAS athletes take HCG regularly DURING their cycles, so their testes are up to par at the end.

Don't use so much of the SERMs. 50mg per day of Clomid is plenty once serum levels of same have stabilized.

Given yur heavy AAS history, you very well may have permanently affected your HPTA. It is my experience that the hypothalamic impulse generator is more likely that which must be restarted, as opposed to the pituitary, such as in your case. Have you had any assas of other pituitary hormones run?

Other than that, it may just take more "tincture of time" to heal you.

I have to say, I do want this forum to be about HRT, not AAS. However, because many of those who formerly used AAS are now in need of TRT, it is an appropriate topic at hand.

DO NOT use HCG at high doses, or even at all now. And NEVER use more than 500IU at a time of HCG (unless you want LH desentization and estrogen build-up). That is plenty.

Kemo, I don't know where you are getting your information, Bro, but it is just not where it needs to be. No offense, just stating facts here. Virtually everything you said is incorrect. Ronin_ do not follow his advice.

[kemo]

Swale,

Still....my opinion, as well as other MD's. Please take a look at my other post.

Kemo

[SWALE]

It may be your opinion, but it is not the opinion of ANY MD, or DO, who knows what he/she is doing. I will be happy to debate ANY of the points so made. I teach this stuff to other doctors.

True, and sad, enough, there are some charlatans out there who have sold out to the dark side, and prescribe (usually selling what they prescribe at rip-off prices) the meds used in legitimate TRT at AAS dosages. Others even use meds which have absolutely no place inb TRT, again, just to line their pockets. Many are losing their Medical Licenses for it. I hope the rest do soon.

[Ronin_]

"Given yur heavy AAS history, you very well may have permanently affected your HPTA. It is my experience that the hypothalamic impulse generator is more likely that which must be restarted, as opposed to the pituitary, such as in your case."

So I could have a permamently much lower test level, sperm count etc?

I'm going to follow your advice Swale, no offense at all meant Kemo - just he is a doctor bro

[SWALE]

I can't tell you for sure, of course. However, if I had to bet, it would be that you will recover your system. It may take some time, though.

I don't have a proper work-up for you, haven't seen your Medical History, or labs, so take this for what it's worth. From what little I do know about you, I'd just continue the Clomid at 50mg per day for a couple more weeks, then take 25mg for a week, then stop and see where you are at.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with using Viagra along the way.