Going back on Nolva for TRT; Test results after Selegiline

[Sonny]

Hi All,

As you might recall, I ended a 2 year stint with TRT last year. I spent the first couple months of this year monitoring my hormone levels and how I feel. Things have progressively slipped downward (mood, concentration, libido, etc).

Here's my most recent 3 labs:


It seems that I'm on a definite downward trend. The thing that is really surprising is that Selegiline really didn't seem to do much this time. I started taking 7.5mg/day (split up into 3 doses) on March 15th. When I took Selegiline last year in conjunction with HCG, it's effect was quite strong. This is from a pure numbers perspective. Selegiline did noticeably raise libido for me this time...perhaps a useful tool for later. I was hoping to give Selegiline alone another 2 weeks so that I could have 2 sets of labs while on it, but I need some relief. I got back on Nolvadex this morning. I'm considering doing some Adrenal screening after I get my hormone levels back into the normal range.

Here are my complete TRT lab results from the last 2 years. You can see a lot of interesting things. HCG + Seligiline was quite potent. HCG alone was good except for marginal DHT. Test Cyp alone was good from a numbers standpoint, but I just didn't feel good on it.
Lots of lab results using Test, Test+HCG, HCG, etc.

Sonny

[chap]

I seem to get lowered libido and difficult to reach ejaculation while I am on my SERM only.... did you think the selegeline might help counteract that making staying on Serms longterm to be more palatable?

I have some selegeline on order so I will be experimenting with it too, but I am currently tapering off of nolvadex, feel really strong and good right now. Just libido is not strong, it works, but it is not a pressing desire like it should be, and it takes a lot of 'work' to reach the ejaculation point. I'm thinking it must be an estrogenic effect of the serms, so we will see. I have resisted taking Maca lately as I did not want to introduce another variable in the mix (progesterone?)

[Sonny]

This time around, I noticed that Selegiline:

1) Increased my sex drive
2) Decreased my sexual stamina

#1 was welcome...#2 wasn't.

Sonny

[chap]

by stamina do you mean premature ejaculation?

How was refractory (recharge) time?

[marianco]

Originally Posted by Sonny

This time around, I noticed that Selegiline:

1) Increased my sex drive
2) Decreased my sexual stamina

#1 was welcome...#2 wasn't.

Sonny

Increased sex drive demands increased energy production - which is determined by the health of the adrenal glands - which if fatigued, results in impaired sexual stamina.

The adrenal glands are like the electrical system of a car. If the battery, distributor, wires, fuses are failing, then the car may not accelerate when the gas pedal (i.e. sex drive) is pressed.

When trying to optimize sexual function, it is important to optimize each component of the endocrine system and the nervous system, so that they can work well as a group.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by marianco

Increased sex drive demands increased energy production - which is determined by the health of the adrenal glands - which if fatigued, results in impaired sexual stamina.

The adrenal glands are like the electrical system of a car. If the battery, distributor, wires, fuses are failing, then the car may not accelerate when the gas pedal (i.e. sex drive) is pressed.

When trying to optimize sexual function, it is important to optimize each component of the endocrine system and the nervous system, so that they can work well as a group.

marianco,

Thanks for the info. Once I get my T levels back on track, I'm gonna do some adrenal screening.

I saw a previous post of yours where you mentioned that TRT affects adrenal fatigue in some manner due to cortisol suppression?

Thanks,
Sonny