gyno while taking arimidex??

[ronnyo17]

Started hrt almost 2 weeks ago at 250 mg/wk. Just did 2nd shot yesterday and have already stared to get gyno under both nips. I started arimi on day one, and was taking .25 mg eod. I went ahead and took .5 mg yesterday and 1 mg in attempt to build up levels and knock out the gyno. I plan on .5 mg every day until it subsides and then go to .5 mg eod. Is this logical?? I need some help here fellas. Thanks

[ronnyo17]

that should read... 1 mg TODAY.. Thanks in advance

[zkt]

Isn`t 250 mg/wk a bit high ? More common is 125mg/w.

[HeadDoc]

are you doing labs? Are these increases in arimidex coordinated with your doc? Ditto on ZKT's comment. Was the 250 dose just the initial? Are you now backing down to 100 or less?

[BrianEE93]

I would agree with needing labs if you don't have them. It is hard to say what dose you need of T or Arimidex without them. I metabolize TCyp probably faster than most and take 100mg twice a week for 200mg. At that level my TT drops to 500-600(200-800) right before another injection. My E2 dropped some when I went from weekly to twice weekly injections. It is still high and my new Dr. said we will work on that probably with Arimidex.

[nobody42]

Use caution with Arimidex, its very powerful. My recent experience confirmed this. It will build and be there a while. For me, .5 MG EOD for about 10 days. I lost about an honest 5 lbs. in water minimum. I could see more vascularity everywhere especially on the tops of my feet and my ankles where I normally hold water. Acne also increased I presume from the E2 decrease allowing T to dominate.

I did feel strange taking this though. Can't explain it. IF I take it again it will be perhaps 1/4MG 2x week. Extra T for me also tends to spill out into E2. Perhaps as mentioned 100MG/wk is a better plan.

Chris

[zkt]

I take 1/2 mg the day after the T shot and thats it for the week. I think this blunts the E2 spike that follows the T spike and thats all I seems to need. If you look at the time-concentration curves of T and E2 and consder the half life of Arimidex it makes sense. At least to me.
Brian: how long you been doing this 200mg/w ?

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by zkt

Brian: how long you been doing this 200mg/w ?

I am on week 8 now. The last time I was tested I was at week 6 total and week 3 of doing 100mg twice weekly. I go in this week for some other testing and asked the doctor to test TT while I was at it. I inject on Sunday and Thursday so I am going Thursday this week. 2 weeks ago on Thursday I was at 501ng/dL(200-800). I expect to be a little higher this time because I ran the PCT calculator it it looked like it took about 8 weeks for my levels to stabilize.

[zkt]

Still think thats a lot. For most guys their pituitary and testes arent completely shot. They still contribute something to the total T. But the more T shots you do the more it will shut down the pituitary and so total T will fall and so you do more T and thats lowers endogenous T even more. Eventually your body is contributing nothing to total T. What I`m saying is that at 200mg/w you are going to get there much faster. So hcg is in order to keep the testicular shrinkage at a minimum. What were your LH and FSH levels? LH varies widely and rapidly and so FSH is a better indicator of pituitary finction. But almost noone uses it.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by zkt

Still think thats a lot. For most guys their pituitary and testes arent completely shot. They still contribute something to the total T. But the more T shots you do the more it will shut down the pituitary and so total T will fall and so you do more T and thats lowers endogenous T even more. Eventually your body is contributing nothing to total T. What I`m saying is that at 200mg/w you are going to get there much faster. So hcg is in order to keep the testicular shrinkage at a minimum. What were your LH and FSH levels? LH varies widely and rapidly and so FSH is a better indicator of pituitary finction. But almost noone uses it.

Before starting injections:

TT 154ng/dL(200-800)
LH 11.4mIU/mL(1.7-8.6)
FSH 16.5mIU/mL(1.5-12.4)

The Pit was trying but the twins wanted very little to do with it. The Dr. has not tested LH or FSH since.

I originally started on 5g Androgel and my TT only went to 273. 12 days after a injection of 200mg my TT dropped to 254. This is when he decided once a week was better. Duh!

I definately want to talk to my new Dr. about HCG.

[zkt]

Ya might want to bring up an aromatase inhibitor too (Arimidex), especially if you want to keep T in the upper 2/3 of the range. The aromatase enzyme will have a lot of raw material to work with.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by zkt

Ya might want to bring up an aromatase inhibitor too (Arimidex), especially if you want to keep T in the upper 2/3 of the range. The aromatase enzyme will have a lot of raw material to work with.

I just had my initial 3 hours visit with the new Dr. last week and my E2 did come up. He is checking some other things first like thyroid but did circle it and made a note to visit it soon. I go back Thursday for a follow up. My Endo is still checking a few things for me but I think I am going to make the new Dr. my main doctor for HRT.

[zkt]

"I definately want to talk to my new Dr. about HCG."
Hcg has the same effect on the testicles as does LH.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by zkt

"I definately want to talk to my new Dr. about HCG."
Hcg has the same effect on the testicles as does LH.

But at least maybe I can get a little out of it and the boys come back to size.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by BrianEE93

I am on week 8 now. The last time I was tested I was at week 6 total and week 3 of doing 100mg twice weekly. I go in this week for some other testing and asked the doctor to test TT while I was at it. I inject on Sunday and Thursday so I am going Thursday this week. 2 weeks ago on Thursday I was at 501ng/dL(200-800). I expect to be a little higher this time because I ran the PCT calculator it it looked like it took about 8 weeks for my levels to stabilize.

You must be a fast metabolizer.
Watch posts of
anyman
and
JackBauer
on AM board and dr John's board.

They are using cobalt, it helps to increase serum TT.

Originally invented by Johnathan Wright MD, to help women.
He wrote a paper on it.
Those two guys are dr Shippen patients, IIRC.

To study your situation ad treatmant progres it may help to do
simulataneous
blood and 24 urine study.

Blood drawn sometimes during the 24hr that you are collecting urine.

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