Hcg

[hackskii]

I talked to the pharmacist yesterday and she said that she won’t be able to get me any novarel, she said the generic versions are not available either.
I did go to Mexico last weekend and picked up some, but the risk and drive was a pain in the ass, not to mention it was not cheap as I was thinking either.

Any thoughts on getting any of this in the future?

I heard someone saying they were going to a single click pen dose to drive up the price and it is a set dose. Anyone else hear of this?
I like the 10ml bottle approach to the amps any day.

Anyone?

[pmgamer18]

What I heard is the batch comes from out of the country and was bad so they pulled it. Medcohealth is getting it on a day to day bases. I think in the next 2 to 4 weeks we will be back to normal. Brad at the H2 groupe made a lot of calls and found this out.

[stat1951]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

What I heard is the batch comes from out of the country and was bad so they pulled it. Medcohealth is getting it on a day to day bases. I think in the next 2 to 4 weeks we will be back to normal. Brad at the H2 groupe made a lot of calls and found this out.

Phil,

I had a long conversation with MedCo - at the National Corp level... a very nice and cooperate lady supervisor in their Inventory Section.

This situation is NOT inolving simply one brand - ALL of the brands at MedCo (national corp level) are showing as unavailable, discontinued or "allocation" (that last one is Novaerl and simply means that they are getting aa rare, unscheduled shipment in here and there but can never predict when and amounts are very small)...

Most of this was posted here:

HCG is all on back order ?

But to repeat some of it:

Having had some doubts after my initial discussions with the Ohio branch of MedCo, I started following through with some calls to the main corporation (Nevada, I believe).

Anyway, here's what I found out:

MedCo - nationwide - is having some periodic deliveries of Novarel. The Inventory Pharmacists boss that i talked to said that it is listed as under heading of "Allocation", which means that they are getting a (rare) few shipments in "here and there" on an unscheduled basis (so they don't know when they will get any particular - rare - shipment).

She further advised that they have no Pregnyl in stock, that it is listed under the status of "backordered no release date for availability".

She further stated that Profasi is listed under the heading of "discontinued". She also stated that Ovidrel is listed under the heading of "discontinued". When I specifically asked if the "discontinued" heading meant that MedCo no longer carried those specific brands, she apologized and said, "No, that means that the manufacturer is no longer producing that item".

She checked further and found that they have a number of "generics" that are manufactured by the various companies... and that not one of them was shown as being in stock, all showing as "backordered no release date for availability".

She advised that this did seem very strange... kind of like saying that they were out of ALL antibiotics, not just one or two specific brands, but all antibitotics, brand names and generics alike and with no incoming stocks!

That call was this afternoon. She felt that possibly if a doctor called one or more of the manufacturers, that possibly more information might be found out.

When I go to the website of Sorono - manufacturer of Profasi - I do not find that item listed under their products section anymore.

Ovidrel is also manufactured by Sorono and IS listed on their site.

Unfortunately, it looks as while the main (overseas) corporation sells a powdered version that is mixable and adjustable for doses but that the Sorono - USA company sells strictly now an pre-mixed injectable pen version (that is likely in doses too high for male usage??? But in any case it will be much more expensive that the powdered form that you mix).

Main (overseas sites):

http://www.serono.com/index.jsp
http://www.serono.com/products/healt...ajor=1&minor=0

When I go to the main (overseas) web site of Organon - manufacturer of Pregnyl - I find that pregnyl is indeed presented there and that there's no mention of any availability problems...

http://www.organon.com/authfiles/index.asp
http://www.organon.com/products/index.asp

Then there's the USA site:

http://www.organon-usa.com/authfiles/index.asp
http://www.organon-usa.com/products/Fertility/Index.asp

And guess what? Pregnyl isn't listed there either. Instead they too have the pre-filled, pre-mixed injectable pen product listed:

http://www.follistim.com/Consumer/index.asp?SetSession=Yes&strGUID={A067A1BB-E087-49AA-8F17-8A6EEA671D03}&SID=625502145

My guess would be that the Big Pharms could care less about the needs of hypogonadal males and are looking at marketing the much more expensive (less bothersome even if not adjustable in dosage) versions to the US market. After all, for most cases it is being used by females seeking fertility, and will be paid for by insurance companies (and whatever co-pay).

Novarel appears to still be available, but maybe cannot keep up with the demand? What about the several various generics?... (Which MedCo also lists as being "unavailable" - Larry)... I think that some of the other companies are not marketing their standard "mixable" regular versions of HcG (note: in the US market, the powdered mixable versions are still available thru these companies in some cases anyway in the non US market - Larry) anymore but are now marketing their "injectable pen" versions of HcG - strictly for the female fertility crowd - and are getting away from the mix-it-yourself standard HcG (but which is vital to have if you use non standard doses). And further that Ferring got caught off guard with the sudden increase in demand. Novarel is the ONLY brand that MedCo can get their hands on, but it is on a rare and random basis... they might have some in today, but none for the next two weeks... It will be a shame if we lose both Profasi and Pregnyl out of this marketing ploy (if that is actually what's going on - just a guess on my part). It seems like that those were two of the better brands...

I believe that American Pharmaceutical is actually "American Pharmaceutical Partners" and that they make the infamous APP brand.

See:

http://www.appdrugs.com/

http://www.appdrugs.com/ProductDetai..._Injection_USP

That is what makes all of this interesting. MedCo carries several different generics also (I don't know if they carry APP brand anymore as there were some complaints with their brand for a while there). And MedCo had NONE of their generic versions in sotck either!

And it appears to be the same way at Walgreen, Walmart. Rite Aid, CVS, and a number of local pharmacies that I called randomnly thru the Cleveland area.

No brand names, no generics. And no "real" idea when they would have it (some said things like "oh, any day now" or "within a couple of weeks", etc. - MedCo - Ohio branch now say that they felt that it would be some time and that I should have my doctor prescribe an alternative!).

And from cpeil2:

The guy at Ferring told me that there is a problem with the raw material - the urine, I guess. He wouldn't be more specific. Their corporate office pulled their entire inventory of raw material for testing.

So... do we have a condition where Profasi and Pregnyl aren't going to be available in the US market anymore (*) as their companies want to market the pre-filled and pre-loaded (at one standard high dose) injectible pen models and make lots more money and on top of that Novarel has been (mainly) pulled because of some possibly contaminated batch... and the smaller generic version manufacturers just can't keep up with the sudden extreme demand?

Larry

I talked to the MedCo people again - just now - at the national customer service level and one of their top pharmacy people. Unfortunately the Inventory people are not in onthe week-end, but a supervisor is going to call me back Monday (hopefully it will be the same one I spoke to last week as that will speed things up considerably). I have a couple of suggestions for them that I think can get MedCo at least back on track with having sufficient supplies of at least a couple brands available again. We will see.

[HeadDoc]

Walgreens delivered mine Wednesday. Had tho old manufacturers name so I assume that Watson is not up and running for Novarel.

[hackskii]

Ok, I did get some from Mexico (pregnyl) seems it was so weak that It isnt doing anything for me.
I tested one amp with pregnancy test and it was negative. I tested teh other and positive so I shot what was left out of the amp.

I am not noticing anything, either it is very weak or I am not responding anymore to HCG.
I suspect weak.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by stat1951

Phil,

I had a long conversation with MedCo - at the National Corp level... a very nice and cooperate lady supervisor in their Inventory Section.

This situation is NOT inolving simply one brand - ALL of the brands at MedCo (national corp level) are showing as unavailable, discontinued or "allocation" (that last one is Novaerl and simply means that they are getting aa rare, unscheduled shipment in here and there but can never predict when and amounts are very small)...

Most of this was posted here:

HCG is all on back order ?

But to repeat some of it:







And from cpeil2:



So... do we have a condition where Profasi and Pregnyl aren't going to be available in the US market anymore (*) as their companies want to market the pre-filled and pre-loaded (at one standard high dose) injectible pen models and make lots more money and on top of that Novarel has been (mainly) pulled because of some possibly contaminated batch... and the smaller generic version manufacturers just can't keep up with the sudden extreme demand?

Larry

I talked to the MedCo people again - just now - at the national customer service level and one of their top pharmacy people. Unfortunately the Inventory people are not in onthe week-end, but a supervisor is going to call me back Monday (hopefully it will be the same one I spoke to last week as that will speed things up considerably). I have a couple of suggestions for them that I think can get MedCo at least back on track with having sufficient supplies of at least a couple brands available again. We will see.

Well this is bad I have 3 box's left and if in 3 months I can't get it my T levels are going to go back down to 650.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Ok, I did get some from Mexico (pregnyl) seems it was so weak that It isnt doing anything for me.
I tested one amp with pregnancy test and it was negative. I tested teh other and positive so I shot what was left out of the amp.

I am not noticing anything, either it is very weak or I am not responding anymore to HCG.
I suspect weak.

How do you test it?

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

How do you test it?

Pregnancy test. Beings HCG if from pregnant womens urine (this is what kills the rabbit), using a early pregnancy test for women tells you if the HCG is legit.

They used to swap out the 10ml bottles of HGH with HCG, they looked identical but diffrent labels.
So you would test your HGH to see if it was HCG by using the pregnancy tests, if it was positive you got burned for HCG instead of HGH

One amp tested positive and one tested negative so i dont know what is going on.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Pregnancy test. Beings HCG if from pregnant womens urine (this is what kills the rabbit), using a early pregnancy test for women tells you if the HCG is legit.

They used to swap out the 10ml bottles of HGH with HCG, they looked identical but diffrent labels.
So you would test your HGH to see if it was HCG by using the pregnancy tests, if it was positive you got burned for HCG instead of HGH

One amp tested positive and one tested negative so i dont know what is going on.

I'm not at all familiar with how a pregnancy test is used. If I want to test my HCG, do I test it when it's still in powder form or after I've converted it to liquid form?

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

I'm not at all familiar with how a pregnancy test is used. If I want to test my HCG, do I test it when it's still in powder form or after I've converted it to liquid form?

Reconstituted.
There are diffrent pregnancy test kits and they all run around 6-9 bucks.
The last one I used only needed 4 drops to test it so I didnt lose a bunch.
Another one had a huge piece of cotton looking thing that took tons of the HCG. But it was not doing anything for me anyway so I decided to saturate it and it was negative.

I notice in about just over 1 day if the HCG is working or not.
I already have atrophy and I am waiting on my scrip to be filled which by the way I dont think is going to happen.

I think I am going to go abroad to get mine.

[pmgamer18]

I can tell if my HCG is good I get a feeling of well being about one hr. after my shot this is why I like doing my HCG shot everyday. I am at the 29th day since I mixed my Novarel so I am going to see how long I can go over the 30 days on this vile. I will post how it goes.

[HeadDoc]

interesting point. I take my thyroid upon waking. I need to wait a minimum of 30 minutes before coffee. So I take the hcg shortly after. The hcg has a noticeable effect within that half hour that would be comparable to the coffee--just better. I know that this effect is not the thyroid based upon those rare times I've not taken the thyroid.

[jboldman]

it would be interesting to speculate on the source of this "feeling" of well being.

jb

[1cc]

Originally Posted by jboldman

it would be interesting to speculate on the source of this "feeling" of well being.

jb

The HCG besides increasing T, also increases pregnenolone and thereby also the other hormones that are derived from pregnenolone. So, one gets a boost in all these hormones "simultaneously". I personally just feel more alert or awake.

[pmgamer18]

When I wake I feel like I weigh a lot more then I am like coming out if a swimming pool. Doing the HCG makes me feel like someone lifted a ton off my shoulders.