HCG Alone or TRT + HCG (Low Dosages?)

[Megazoid]

Guy's, since shutdown (4th week of injection) my hypothyroid "like" issues have worsened. I believe this is caused by low LH or an E2 issue I have connective tissue/muscle problems which i have noticed from the start of all of this. I stupidly put all of this down to T/E alone when the problem was thyroid (when i really think about it). I don't want these to progress any further and will do what i can to stop this now by incorporating HCG into my regime starting from next week.

After posting on the other thread i discovered that HCG will help thyroid. Now if HCG has a half-life of 24 hour's which would make it suitable for daily injection. I am happy to inject IM or SubQ, not sure which is best? Would an insulin needle be suitable for IM injection of HCG? The idea here is to lower TSH so more thyroid hormone is available and also increase testicular size/function. I need to improve thyroid so i can start removing the hypothyroid like symptoms

I am going to start taking 1 DIM a day no matter what. Just to keep E2 low so that thyroid hormone can fight for the receptor sites. Now i have the option is simply optimize diet with food's high in iodine to stimulate thyroid hormone and lower TSH. This will include yogarts, strawberrys, etc.

Here is my dilema, i don't want to seriously over-complicate thing's if there is no need. I want to stick to the weekly 125mg injection simply because it will keep my anti-aging doctor happy. Bi-Weekly is possible but i would prefer to stay weekly for now.

I know weatherlite is using 100iu HCG daily while on weekly injections so thought this might be worth doing. What kind of effect would 100iu of HCG have daily? I was hoping using 100iu HCG daily would keep my E2 levels down further?

The way i see my options right now are:

1) Weekly injection (125mg) + 100iu HCG daily (700iu weekly) : Suppliments : DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), Fish Oils, Vit C, e, etc.

2) Weekly injection (125mg) + 250iu HCG (mon-wed-fri) (750iu weekly): Suppliments: DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc

3) Weekly injection (125mg) + 250iu HCG (2 days before next injection + day of injection) (750iu weekly). Suppliments: DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc

4) HCG Alone. Injecting 250iu Daily (1500iu weekly). Suppliments: DIM 1( Tablet - Dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc.

I will monitor morning wood and add or remove DIM when needed. I also considered taking Kelp tablets for proper daily iodine intake to help thyroid too. Would this be worthwhile or should i simply take HCG alone to help thyroid?

Can hypothyroidism symptoms such as connective tissue problems be reversed and improved apon with time (and lower TSH)? Is it possible to strengthen tissues again and improve how "elastic" they are? My skin, penis, testicles, joints and connective tissues are my main concern here.

[JackBauer]

Megazoid - refresh my memory... Are you seeing a specialist or self-treating?

I ask because the situation for me was slowly getting worse for me over time (still is)... But I got a ton of peace of mind once I started seeing a specialist... As I know with time it will be solved.

I'm just think that specialists like Shippen, Marciano, Swale... Well they do this stuff full time, probably "more" than full time...

Forgive me if you have already covered this before - I just want yo to get that peace of mind that I only got after deciding to see a specialist.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Guy's, since shutdown (4th week of injection) my hypothyroid "like" issues have worsened. I believe this is caused by low LH or an E2 issue I have connective tissue/muscle problems which i have noticed from the start of all of this. I stupidly put all of this down to T/E alone when the problem was thyroid (when i really think about it). I don't want these to progress any further and will do what i can to stop this now by incorporating HCG into my regime starting from next week.

After posting on the other thread i discovered that HCG will help thyroid. Now if HCG has a half-life of 24 hour's which would make it suitable for daily injection. I am happy to inject IM or SubQ, not sure which is best? Would an insulin needle be suitable for IM injection of HCG? The idea here is to lower TSH so more thyroid hormone is available and also increase testicular size/function. I need to improve thyroid so i can start removing the hypothyroid like symptoms

I am going to start taking 1 DIM a day no matter what. Just to keep E2 low so that thyroid hormone can fight for the receptor sites. Now i have the option is simply optimize diet with food's high in iodine to stimulate thyroid hormone and lower TSH. This will include yogarts, strawberrys, etc.

Here is my dilema, i don't want to seriously over-complicate thing's if there is no need. I want to stick to the weekly 125mg injection simply because it will keep my anti-aging doctor happy. Bi-Weekly is possible but i would prefer to stay weekly for now.

I know weatherlite is using 100iu HCG daily while on weekly injections so thought this might be worth doing. What kind of effect would 100iu of HCG have daily? I was hoping using 100iu HCG daily would keep my E2 levels down further?

The way i see my options right now are:

1) Weekly injection (125mg) + 100iu HCG daily (700iu weekly) : Suppliments : DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), Fish Oils, Vit C, e, etc.

2) Weekly injection (125mg) + 250iu HCG (mon-wed-fri) (750iu weekly): Suppliments: DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc

3) Weekly injection (125mg) + 250iu HCG (2 days before next injection + day of injection) (750iu weekly). Suppliments: DIM (1 tablet - dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc

4) HCG Alone. Injecting 250iu Daily (1500iu weekly). Suppliments: DIM 1( Tablet - Dinner time), fish oils, vit c, e, etc.

I will monitor morning wood and add or remove DIM when needed. I also considered taking Kelp tablets for proper daily iodine intake to help thyroid too. Would this be worthwhile or should i simply take HCG alone to help thyroid?

Can hypothyroidism symptoms such as connective tissue problems be reversed and improved apon with time (and lower TSH)? Is it possible to strengthen tissues again and improve how "elastic" they are? My skin, penis, testicles, joints and connective tissues are my main concern here.

Normal protocol on people taking one week injection is 250 ius 2 days BEFORE injection not on day of..This will just get you past the hump so to speak. if yopu are worred about e2 then split injection in half and do like monday and thursday and may be do 125 ius hcg 2 days before each shot and then monitor after 4 weeks from there if it needs to be increased !! This must be monitored to make adjustments. If your test levels are stable then adding in HCG will justhelp to balance the pathways oput more and help the boys to start swinging again. Remember once your optimal dosage is set on TRT it take 4-5 months for both to repair the damage that may have done because of low T at the cellular level.. Personally I would not screw with DIm unless it is specifiedthorugh a lab test use armidex or liquidex because its more stable and easier to tract and dosage..

[chap]

I found doing hcg alone was the worst for feeling ok............ rollercoaster ride for sure and big crash when you stop.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by chap

I found doing hcg alone was the worst for feeling ok............ rollercoaster ride for sure and big crash when you stop.

People who stop smoking also feel bad.

I case of HCG when you stop using it, you loosng any natural T production.

Low T=feeling bad

The more natural T production you have had the worse you missing it.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by JanSz

People who stop smoking also feel bad.

I case of HCG when you stop using it, you loosng any natural T production.

Low T=feeling bad

The more natural T production you have had the worse you missing it.

Yes I crashed really hard and never been same since stopping it .. when on it memory was incredible and mood was great stop it and i can not even remember to turn stove off any more and I felt like my thyroid totally crashed as well..

[Megazoid]

Hardasnails are you saying that thyroid can be shutdown from HCG usuage? Would you recommend in my own case using TRT + HCG to prevent this or should i simply continue to use HCG for an extended period of time?

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Hardasnails are you saying that thyroid can be shutdown from HCG usuage? Would you recommend in my own case using TRT + HCG to prevent this or should i simply continue to use HCG for an extended period of time?

Hcg increases cAMP which increases cascade of events such as dhea, progesterone, thyroid. LH, decreass estrogen/dht,

increase testosterone can increase thyroid syntheses but excessive can also shut it down
TRT works best when used in tandemi with HCG and test