HCG doesn't allow the testes to produce sperm or hormone

[Chosen]

I just saw one of my Endocrinologist, and I discuss what I learned from folks in here and else where that deals with hypogonadism. HCG doesn't bridge the signal toward the brain in allowing the testes to produce sperm or hormone.
It's job in my view, is solely to maybe bring well being toward the patient or if you are centered, maybe it can cause your production of hormone to correct or increase.

I'm primary hypogonadism not center. My shame came from an undescended teste not being descended until age nine, where it should have been descended via surgery between ages one and two leaving me with low testosterone and most of the side effects included.

My testes cannot send the signal to the brain for production of hormone.
I thought, HCG was the bridge that would force the testes to start producing, but I was corrected. There isn't any medication, etc that would allow the testes to function normally if you are primary. Center is solely for HCG , because from what I understand, the testes does produce sperm or if it doesn't given most on center hypogonadism can be corrected, HCG can jump start that process.

Well, for me it's back to researching. I had a long chat with one of my doctors that was impressed that I researched on my own, but he explain alot I didn't know and will research. I honestly feel, hypogonadism both center and primary can be combated but the politics and profit margin for more human research isn't needed given this disorder is not that prominent.

It's sad, I honestly feel research can correct also abnormal sexual characteristics and low testosterone without "fake" testosterone in males.
Dr John, did not state HCG would not produce hormone only add on to well being and testosterone. Free testosterone is what males like me and you, must worry about not total. Free testosterone dictates the testosterone that is active in your body.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Chosen

I just saw one of my Endocrinologist, and I discuss what I learned from folks in here and else where that deals with hypogonadism. HCG doesn't bridge the signal toward the brain in allowing the testes to produce sperm or hormone.
It's job in my view, is solely to maybe bring well being toward the patient or if you are centered, maybe it can cause your production of hormone to correct or increase.

I'm primary hypogonadism not center. My shame came from an undescended teste not being descended until age nine, where it should have been descended via surgery between ages one and two leaving me with low testosterone and most of the side effects included.

My testes cannot send the signal to the brain for production of hormone.
I thought, HCG was the bridge that would force the testes to start producing, but I was corrected. There isn't any medication, etc that would allow the testes to function normally if you are primary. Center is solely for HCG , because from what I understand, the testes does produce sperm or if it doesn't given most on center hypogonadism can be corrected, HCG can jump start that process.

Well, for me it's back to researching. I had a long chat with one of my doctors that was impressed that I researched on my own, but he explain alot I didn't know and will research. I honestly feel, hypogonadism both center and primary can be combated but the politics and profit margin for more human research isn't needed given this disorder is not that prominent.

It's sad, I honestly feel research can correct also abnormal sexual characteristics and low testosterone without "fake" testosterone in males.
Dr John, did not state HCG would not produce hormone only add on to well being and testosterone. Free testosterone is what males like me and you, must worry about not total. Free testosterone dictates the testosterone that is active in your body.

I feel you asked the wrong question. HCG does not make the testis send any messages to the brain or the brain to the testis. When you are on TRT your LH an FSH will be down near zero. Because when your brain checks to see where your T levels are at and sees the meds from TRT it dose not tell the Pituitary to send LH and FSH to the testis to make more T. I am primary just had an MRI and I am OK no problems with my Pituitary gland. Yet my T levels doubled adding HCG and I am now doing the best I ever did in the 21 yrs. I have been on TRT.
Here is a link on HCG.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/90/5/2595
And hear is what Dr. John says about taking HCG and the LH receptors(including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.
A cut & paste from a search "SWALE+HCG"
It just seems like more and more stuff keeps coming in, and all of it points to regular HCG supplementation as being VERY beneficial with TRT.

First, the notion of "cycling" TRT is for those who have no understanding of how the body works. No one who really knows what they are doing "cycles" TRT anymore.

Your own humble SWALE was the very first to recognize that HCG stimulates the production of all three hormonal pathways which use CHOL as starting point (mineralcorticoids, glucocorticoids and sex hormones) in ways beneficial to HPTA suppressed males. That is because its analog, LH, stimulates the P450SCC enzyme, which converts CHOL to pregnenolone, then onto the others. In HPTA suppressed males--and ALL who supplement testosterone are suppressed to some extent--this tends to restore a more healthful balance within, and across, these pathways.

Nearly everyone who adds my HCG protocol to their TRT reports back they feel MUCH better on it. That is, in and of itself, a good thing. The only complaint so far? they aren't able to get as much work done because they are then spending so much time exercising their libido.

We are finding more and more tissues where LH is active. I just do not like the idea of living long term with reduced LH, and HCG helps this.

There just seems to be something very, very special about enhancing endogenous T production in HPTA-suppressed males, on a regular basis.
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[Chosen]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I feel you asked the wrong question. HCG does not make the testis send any messages to the brain or the brain to the testis. When you are on TRT your LH an FSH will be down near zero. Because when your brain checks to see where your T levels are at and sees the meds from TRT it dose not tell the Pituitary to send LH and FSH to the testis to make more T. I am primary just had an MRI and I am OK no problems with my Pituitary gland. Yet my T levels doubled adding HCG and I am now doing the best I ever did in the 21 yrs. I have been on TRT.
Here is a link on HCG.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/90/5/2595
And hear is what Dr. John says about taking HCG and the LH receptors(including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.
A cut & paste from a search "SWALE+HCG"
It just seems like more and more stuff keeps coming in, and all of it points to regular HCG supplementation as being VERY beneficial with TRT.

First, the notion of "cycling" TRT is for those who have no understanding of how the body works. No one who really knows what they are doing "cycles" TRT anymore.

Your own humble SWALE was the very first to recognize that HCG stimulates the production of all three hormonal pathways which use CHOL as starting point (mineralcorticoids, glucocorticoids and sex hormones) in ways beneficial to HPTA suppressed males. That is because its analog, LH, stimulates the P450SCC enzyme, which converts CHOL to pregnenolone, then onto the others. In HPTA suppressed males--and ALL who supplement testosterone are suppressed to some extent--this tends to restore a more healthful balance within, and across, these pathways.

Nearly everyone who adds my HCG protocol to their TRT reports back they feel MUCH better on it. That is, in and of itself, a good thing. The only complaint so far? they aren't able to get as much work done because they are then spending so much time exercising their libido.

We are finding more and more tissues where LH is active. I just do not like the idea of living long term with reduced LH, and HCG helps this.

There just seems to be something very, very special about enhancing endogenous T production in HPTA-suppressed males, on a regular basis.
__________________
www.allthingsmale.com

Sir, your not getting it. HCG will ONLY provide well being in primary hypogonadism males. If you are primary, you understand infertility is a must!
Cholesterol and cardiovascular is still a problem. Prostate oddly given it's a topic you and others emphasize about, isn't a big concern if you have low testosterone. It deals with older males mostly with higher testosterone.


The way certain folks and Dr John emphasized, HCG is the wonder drug that allowed the signal to be corrected and thus allowing the testes to produce.
Gamer isn't a bigger conern for primary hypogandism males is to have children get all hormonal levels balanced and have a sense of increased well being?

If you are primary, it's a huge assumption that your genitalia is abnormal as well, unlike most center males. Mine is, and I've horrible because of it.
More research needs to be prominent and created so side effects can be reversed, such as abnormal genitalia. Go talk to Dr John about that research such you and him seem like good friends gamer.

HCG helps center males. I will try it, because I want a better life. But it isn't a fit in whole for males like us gamer. Instead of reading and searching for quick fixes, maybe researching why the testes cannot produce and how that element can be combated should be a bigger concern.

[pmgamer18]

Where do I start did you believe what the Endo told you I for one don't have any use for them after being sick with low T for over 21 yrs. I have been sent to see 7 Endo's in that time. Everyone of them dismissed my tests that were done over the yrs. and took me off meds to do a base line Test. All this showed them was how sick they made me. Hell my poor wife has a tryroid problem and going from one Endo to the other was never feeling any better. She went to my family Dr. and he got her better. She had the same problem with them up on a pedestal thinking they are God incompetent Dr.'s. Don't get me wrong there are some that are good with low T but few and far between.
I feel that this is to deep a subject to get into with you I am not good at putting words to paper. It is just takes to much of my Time to post on this. You sound like you have your mind made up anyway. But take it from one that has seen 7 Endo's and wasted a lot of money on them. Hell every time they took me off my meds my levels went back down to 120 for total and 3 of them told me I was ok.

[SPE]

While it is true that HCG CAN help secondary hypo moreso than primary hypo, that doesn't mean that HCG shouldn't be used in those with primary. It goes a long way with well being, T levels, and of course reverting testicles back to a more normal size. Just because you are primary doesn't mean you are infertile. Just as being secondary doesn't necessarily mean you are fertile. I do believe that appropriate TRT and HCG doesn't make a man infertile(thanks Dr. John)

[mranak]

Originally Posted by Chosen

It's job in my view, is solely to maybe bring well being toward the patient or if you are centered, maybe it can cause your production of hormone to correct or increase.

What do you mean by 'centered'? Secondary?

Originally Posted by Chosen

My testes cannot send the signal to the brain for production of hormone.

Nor do anyone elses. That isn't how the endocrine system works.

Originally Posted by Chosen

I thought, HCG was the bridge that would force the testes to start producing, but I was corrected. There isn't any medication, etc that would allow the testes to function normally if you are primary.

That's more or less true.

Originally Posted by Chosen

Center is solely for HCG , because from what I understand, the testes does produce sperm or if it doesn't given most on center hypogonadism can be corrected, HCG can jump start that process.

Please clarify the maining of 'center'. And hypogonadism is about testosterone production, not sperm production, althoug there is certainly a relationship between the two.

Originally Posted by Chosen

It's sad, I honestly feel research can correct also abnormal sexual characteristics and low testosterone without "fake" testosterone in males.
Dr John, did not state HCG would not produce hormone only add on to well being and testosterone. Free testosterone is what males like me and you, must worry about not total. Free testosterone dictates the testosterone that is active in your body.

Er. You do know that increases total testosterone means increased free testosterone, right?

I assume that English isn't your first language.

Primary hypogonadism means that the testes produce insufficient testosterone. In the case of the testes being removed, you have absolute primary hypogonadism. hCG obviously isn't going to do jack for testosterone production. But there are other men with primary hypogonadism where the testes CAN produce testosterone, but it just isn't enough. In these men, like secondardy men, the best TRT includes exogenous testosterone. But hCG in these primary hypogonadal men will maintain some testosterone production from the testes that otherwise would have been mostly suppressed by the administration of exogenous testosterone.

So hCG can and often is beneficial for men with primary hypogonadism.

Just because a man is primary hypogonadal doesn't necessary mean that he is not fertile.

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by SPE

While it is true that HCG CAN help secondary hypo moreso than primary hypo, that doesn't mean that HCG shouldn't be used in those with primary. It goes a long way with well being, T levels, and of course reverting testicles back to a more normal size. Just because you are primary doesn't mean you are infertile. Just as being secondary doesn't necessarily mean you are fertile. I do believe that appropriate TRT and HCG doesn't make a man infertile(thanks Dr. John)

HCG has an negative effect that will cause no better success with primary hypogonadism males and also as an negative effect that causes centered (seondary) males to be primary. (I got that from Dr {miracle} John) What didn't your Endrocrinologist explain that?

If not all primary hyp. males have very low sperm counts. Having a very low sperm count proves the testes isn't producing enough hormone and thus makes that concern primary and not centered.

Inferitity is one of the side effects within hypogonadism and especially within primary males. I want to have kids, I want a better live Sir. But don't school me on my conditions. If I go on the corrected formula that still won't make primary hypogonadism eliminate. HCG like I stated before doesn't correct the problem of allowing the testes to function normally.

Maybe it can get your testes to inlarge in centered males that were already normal before something made them hypogonadism. What about for the males that were born this way?

I didn't take something wrong like centered males or hurted my genitalia like centered males. You guys have normal sized genitalia's and you guys can function and you guys with treatment can re produce sperm within the testes as well as, testosterone. I can't.

Go ask Dr John about his "research" pertaining toward primary hypo. males and not centered. Ask him, about his "reseach" in furthering the studies of why the testes refuses to produce sperm thus allowing so many disorders to occur. I know why my testes doesn't produce sperm and since Im primary it isn't my fault but Im suffering because of it and has for a while now.

Please go ask Dr John. Most research in hypogonadism is for centered males and how their "Recipe for success" can improve. Don't worry primary males, I will continue to research on my own. I'll even get HCG, etc to increase my well being, maybe I will become a doctor with prayer lots of it and do researches so no male and family will suffer the way I have.

[SPE]

Originally Posted by Chosen

HCG has an negative effect that will cause no better success with primary hypogonadism males and also as an negative effect that causes centered (seondary) males to be primary. (I got that from Dr {miracle} John) What didn't your Endrocrinologist explain that?

If not all primary hyp. males have very low sperm counts. Having a very low sperm count proves the testes isn't producing enough hormone and thus makes that concern primary and not centered.

Inferitity is one of the side effects within hypogonadism and especially within primary males. I want to have kids, I want a better live Sir. But don't school me on my conditions. If I go on the corrected formula that still won't make primary hypogonadism eliminate. HCG like I stated before doesn't correct the problem of allowing the testes to function normally.

Maybe it can get your testes to inlarge in centered males that were already normal before something made them hypogonadism. What about for the males that were born this way?

I didn't take something wrong like centered males or hurted my genitalia like centered males. You guys have normal sized genitalia's and you guys can function and you guys with treatment can re produce sperm within the testes as well as, testosterone. I can't.

Go ask Dr John about his "research" pertaining toward primary hypo. males and not centered. Ask him, about his "reseach" in furthering the studies of why the testes refuses to produce sperm thus allowing so many disorders to occur. I know why my testes doesn't produce sperm and since Im primary it isn't my fault but Im suffering because of it and has for a while now.

Please go ask Dr John. Most research in hypogonadism is for centered males and how their "Recipe for success" can improve. Don't worry primary males, I will continue to research on my own. I'll even get HCG, etc to increase my well being, maybe I will become a doctor with prayer lots of it and do researches so no male and family will suffer the way I have.

Sounds like you are a little confused.

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by mranak

What do you mean by 'centered'? Secondary?


Nor do anyone elses. That isn't how the endocrine system works.


That's more or less true.


Please clarify the maining of 'center'. And hypogonadism is about testosterone production, not sperm production, althoug there is certainly a relationship between the two.


Er. You do know that increases total testosterone means increased free testosterone, right?

I assume that English isn't your first language.

Primary hypogonadism means that the testes produce insufficient testosterone. In the case of the testes being removed, you have absolute primary hypogonadism. hCG obviously isn't going to do jack for testosterone production. But there are other men with primary hypogonadism where the testes CAN produce testosterone, but it just isn't enough. In these men, like secondardy men, the best TRT includes exogenous testosterone. But hCG in these primary hypogonadal men will maintain some testosterone production from the testes that otherwise would have been mostly suppressed by the administration of exogenous testosterone.

So hCG can and often is beneficial for men with primary hypogonadism.

Just because a man is primary hypogonadal doesn't necessary mean that he is not fertile.

Hey I respect all Sir but never again insult me. I never insulted anyone in here. Never again say english isn't my primary language. I know about hypogonadism and if you read my posted you would understand that fact also. I have learned allot thru members like .... I am still researching so I can corrected this disorder. Don't school me on what I already now next time. Don't emphasize information I already know. Please continue to type information I have not yet capture.


Once again you just like gamer believes all in which folks like Dr (miracle) John emphasizes. I respect him also and loves his work but his research doesn't do allot for males like me which are primary. HCG DOESN'T ALLOW THE TESTES TO PRODUCE NORMAL HORMONE IF YOU ARE PRIMARY.

Don't believe me? Ask your Endocrinologist and not one a "doctor" within this forum. Don't believe me? Research on your own, instead of believing every Dr's with a web site address.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by Chosen

I didn't take something wrong like centered males or hurted my genitalia like centered males. You guys have normal sized genitalia's and you guys can function and you guys with treatment can re produce sperm within the testes as well as, testosterone. I can't.

Not all of secondary males became that way after being normal in the first place. Some of us just never became normal.

I'm 37 and still haven't completed puberty even though I've been on TRT for ten years. I am infertile although it may just be because of the TRT. But I will never go off TRT.

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by SPE

Sounds like you are a little confused.

How am I confused? Exposition Sir. I'm the only one in here that is a realist.
I've been thru allot and I don't need someone telling me I'm confused about soemthing I've delt with all my life.


Enlighten me sir. How am I confused? I have emphasized time again, my pleasure toward reading new information on the fight against hypogonadism. But of course it isn't a fight rather just another avenue to float away the fact more research needs to be addressed for primary hygoponadism males.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Chosen

How am I confused? Exposition Sir. I'm the only one in here that is a realist.
I've been thru allot and I don't need someone telling me I'm confused about soemthing I've delt with all my life.


Enlighten me sir. How am I confused? I have emphasized time again, my pleasure toward reading new information on the fight against hypogonadism. But of course it isn't a fight rather just another avenue to float away the fact more research needs to be addressed for primary hygoponadism males.

You are not confused just here to cause trouble where do you get off calling men here and Dr.'s names "Dr (miracle) John" Take you trouble making ass and the one you road in on off the board.

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by Chosen

How am I confused? Exposition Sir. I'm the only one in here that is a realist.
I've been thru allot and I don't need someone telling me I'm confused about soemthing I've delt with all my life.


Enlighten me sir. How am I confused? I have emphasized time again, my pleasure toward reading new information on the fight against hypogonadism. But of course it isn't a fight rather just another avenue to float away the fact more research needs to be addressed for primary hygoponadism males.

What planet are you from?.. its gota be Uranus...

[SPE]

Originally Posted by Chosen

How am I confused? Exposition Sir. I'm the only one in here that is a realist.
I've been thru allot and I don't need someone telling me I'm confused about soemthing I've delt with all my life.


Enlighten me sir. How am I confused? I have emphasized time again, my pleasure toward reading new information on the fight against hypogonadism. But of course it isn't a fight rather just another avenue to float away the fact more research needs to be addressed for primary hygoponadism males.

English really doesn't sound like it's your native language. He wasn't insulting you, just making an assumption. But I made the same assumption as well.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I am primary just had an MRI and I am OK no problems with my Pituitary gland.

Phil, were you always primary or did you become primary later in life? If later in life, what caused it?