HCG for HRT. What are you on.

[dogma]

Anyone here on hcg for hypogonadism? What is the standard protocol for hcg in hormone replacement? What dose your doctor have you on and for how long. What is done to reduce the risk of aromitization and desensitization of leydig cells?

[novice]

I think 250iu 3x weekly is a starting point or half that dose daily. For me I dont like HCG unless its either low dose 70iu daily alone, or 250iu daily or every other with like 0.1 of arimidex. It is a low dose of arimidex but the stuff is strong.

[pmgamer18]

If your going to just try HCG then do 100 IU's everyday test in 6 weeks and adjust from there. I feel the need to tell you most of us don't feel all the great just on HCG it can bring up your levels of T and E2. I find like most men seconday that I feel better doing both T shots and HCG.

I do 50mgs of 200mgs/ml Depo T every 3 days and HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots. Using a small 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle shooting into my thigh. Doing this helps to keep me leveled and helps keep my E2 down.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

If your going to just try HCG then do 100 IU's everyday test in 6 weeks and adjust from there. I feel the need to tell you most of us don't feel all the great just on HCG it can bring up your levels of T and E2. I find like most men seconday that I feel better doing both T shots and HCG.

I do 50mgs of 200mgs/ml Depo T every 3 days and HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots. Using a small 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle shooting into my thigh. Doing this helps to keep me leveled and helps keep my E2 down.

You testicles are working.
Any idea what one would need if he had no production from testicles.?

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

If your going to just try HCG then do 100 IU's everyday test in 6 weeks and adjust from there. I feel the need to tell you most of us don't feel all the great just on HCG it can bring up your levels of T and E2. I find like most men seconday that I feel better doing both T shots and HCG.

I do 50mgs of 200mgs/ml Depo T every 3 days and HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots. Using a small 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle shooting into my thigh. Doing this helps to keep me leveled and helps keep my E2 down.

Yup, solo hCG just isn't enough - most get a 100 - 200 point bump from it, but a usual 10 percent increase in E2 to boot as well. Just isn't enough all around.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by JanSz

You testicles are working.
Any idea what one would need if he had no production from testicles.?

Everyones testis work to some point so I feel what I am doing works the best and a lot of guys are doing this.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Yup, solo hCG just isn't enough - most get a 100 - 200 point bump from it, but a usual 10 percent increase in E2 to boot as well. Just isn't enough all around.

Not true we do have some men on just HCG and only doing 60mgs everyday and have levels of over 600 were dam low before doing the HCG. One Sees Dr. Shippen.

[plymouth city]

This people were probably not completely hypogonadal though in the first place, just needed a little kickstart.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

This people were probably not completely hypogonadal though in the first place, just needed a little kickstart.

Why are you saying this going on HCG shuts down your HTPA so I don't get what your saying. One had levels very low so bad he could not work. He is now on just HCG and his good levels.
I was told I am primary for 23 yrs I added HCG to my T shots my levels went from 600 to 1200.
I am not handing you a line here I am on the up and up with this.

[staylean]

I know a guy, close personal friend,

He does HCG only,

1500 iu's E3D no armidex

Baseline was:

Total T = 420 / 250-1100
Free T = 72 / 35-155

After 5 weeks tested the day before his next shot.

Total T = 860 / 250-1100
Free T = 160 / 35-155
e2 and estrone was mid 20's

Obviously results may very and everybody is different. I told him everything I have read says HCG is better done daily, he is sticking with his current protocol because he is happy with his results.

[keaster]

I was approx 300 ng/dl with an e2 of 26 or 29 (cant remember)

Hcg (250iu eod) moved me up to 501 with a drop in e2 to 24. I still felt like shit, so androgel was added.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by staylean

I know a guy, close personal friend,

He does HCG only,

1500 iu's E3D no armidex

Baseline was:

Total T = 420 / 250-1100
Free T = 72 / 35-155

After 5 weeks tested the day before his next shot.

Total T = 860 / 250-1100
Free T = 160 / 35-155
e2 and estrone was mid 20's

Obviously results may very and everybody is different. I told him everything I have read says HCG is better done daily, he is sticking with his current protocol because he is happy with his results.

As I see it, there is few limitations when using HCG;
1, Amount of testosterone that testis are able to produce when maximally stimulated
2. Amount of HCG that is need to stimulate maximally, after that HCG is wasted
3. Amount of HCG that would not shut down testis, supplying more than that does damage to testis
3a. Large amount of HCG that testis are able to accept is time dependent (I think), something that works for couple of (weeks, months??) may be too much loong term.

Is anybody willing to supply numbers for some of the points?
I use 250IU/eod, cannot say that I see any difference, but I am also using Tcream so it is hard to tell difference other than testicles size.

[RKJL0815]

Originally Posted by JanSz

As I see it, there is few limitations when using HCG;
1, Amount of testosterone that testis are able to produce when maximally stimulated
2. Amount of HCG that is need to stimulate maximally, after that HCG is wasted
3. Amount of HCG that would not shut down testis, supplying more than that does damage to testis
3a. Large amount of HCG that testis are able to accept is time dependent (I think), something that works for couple of (weeks, months??) may be too much loong term.

Is anybody willing to supply numbers for some of the points?
I use 250IU/eod, cannot say that I see any difference, but I am also using Tcream so it is hard to tell difference other than testicles size.

What brand of HCG are you using? I started with the APP brand and didn't notice anything. After doing a search I read that most on here had trouble with it so I decided to try Novarel and wow it's true. The results are awesome. I do my T shots every three days and 250IU of Novarel on the days in between.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by RKJL0815

What brand of HCG are you using? I started with the APP brand and didn't notice anything. After doing a search I read that most on here had trouble with it so I decided to try Novarel and wow it's true. The results are awesome. I do my T shots every three days and 250IU of Novarel on the days in between.

I am using Novarel.
How long have you use APP before you have decided that it does not work for you.
I would guess that there should not be that much difference between brands.

[RKJL0815]

Originally Posted by JanSz

I am using Novarel.
How long have you use APP before you have decided that it does not work for you.
I would guess that there should not be that much difference between brands.

I used if for a month and didn't notice a thing..I then switched to Novarel and my boys were back to normal after about three shots...I dunno maybe is was a bad batch from APP but I really could tell the diffrence.