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masterpp · #1 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 04:56 AM

hey guys im going to combine hcg with trt. my endo and gp are discussing it at the moment, and i think i should do 250iu of hcg every other day. does this seem about right. also does that mean i can up my dossage of androgel to 10g a day.

I am aware of the risk of excessTestosterone and the effects of estrogen, but my question is whether this relatively low dose of hcg can support the testicles whilst on such a large dose of trt.

any comments

SPE · #2 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 08:59 AM

Everyone is different, but I do fine on 455iu/WEEK and my T replacement dosage is around 10g as well. Balls are large an hanging low.

mranak · #3 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 09:03 AM

Use 5g of the Androgel with the hCG. After a few weeks or longer, get a blood test done. If testosterone is still low, then increase the dosage of Androgel. If it is high, then decrease the dosage of Androgel.

So you finally got your physician to consider hCG, huh?

masterpp · #4 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 09:10 AM

yeah, i was thinking of just ordering it myself, but then i realised that it wasnt getting the hcg which was the probelm, it was getting the needles. i dont want to be considered some junkie, so im doing it all legit.

so in your opinion, hcg works regardless of whether u do 5g or 10 grams

SPE · #5 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 09:11 AM

RitchieC · #6 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 10:27 AM

basic rule of experimentation - only change one variable at a time.

Add the HCG every other day, and in a month or two gauge how you feel, how your balls look, and get your T and E2 tests done.

Then adjust your T upwards or downwards.

Weatherlite · #7 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 01:53 PM

OK, here's my 2 cents...if you're going to go with EOD then you should consider dropping the dose a little....perhaps to 125IU's. I think you'd be better off starting low and then going higher if need be.

masterpp · #8 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 02:36 PM

whats EOD.

im severely primary hypergonadal, so im off the opinion that to get the max out of balls will require a lot of hcg. i might be far off the mark though

Axl · #9 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by masterpp

whats EOD.

im severely primary hypergonadal, so im off the opinion that to get the max out of balls will require a lot of hcg. i might be far off the mark though

Every Other Day = EOD
If you're severely primary, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. I tried it about a year ago: 1500 IU HCG every three days got my total T from 220 ng/dl to 445 ng/dl in 6 months' time... and 1 week after I stopped I was back at 220 ng/dl. I have partial primary and secondary ideopathic hypogonadal hypogonadism...

1cc · #10 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SPE

Everyone is different, but I do fine on 455iu/WEEK and my T replacement dosage is around 10g as well. Balls are large an hanging low.

SPE,

How did you determine that 455iu per week was the right dose for you? Do you take 65iu every day?

Thanks.

SPE · #11 (**permalink**) 10-16-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1cc

SPE,

How did you determine that 455iu per week was the right dose for you? Do you take 65iu every day?

Thanks.

Yeah, I take 65iu every day. I've just experimented with how I felt at different dosages. I've been up to 125iu ed and my e2(and prostate issues) skyrocketed. Once I started shots, and now a high concentration T cream I've just been gradually lowering the dose, paying close attention to how I felt, how my prostate felt, and how big my ball were. There was no visible difference in the size of my testicles on 125iu/day as compared to 65iu/day. The older I get(I'm only 26) the more I realize that "optimal" dosing is almost never the same thing as "upper limit" dosing. Make sense?

masterpp · #12 (**permalink**) 10-17-2005, 04:30 AM

yeah kinda. you see i only want to use hcg as a suppliment to hcg. my lh and fsh are very elevated usually s i am making not very T from a lot of stimulation. i know hcg wouldnt normally work for me when taken alone/ but when i go on trt, the extra trt shuts off the HPTA, so my testicles arent stimulated. what i want is the optimal dose which will maintain my testicular health whilst on trt, without causing any de-sensitivity

mranak · #13 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 09:06 AM

^^
I think you mean, "I only want to use hCG in conjunction with exogenous testosterone therapy."

The hCG does its thing regardless of the testosterone gel dosage. Normally, 5g of the gel+hCG is a good protocol for most men. I suggest that you go with hCG+5grams of testosterone gel, get a blood test done, and go from there.

Yeah, if you can get a legitimate prescription for hCG, then without any doubt whatsoever, that is what you need to do.