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| Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on Healthcare within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Ok i got a question guys..... i have no healthcare what so ever anymore...... this means i can't get any ... |
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08-18-2005, 05:50 PM
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Ok i got a question guys..... i have no healthcare what so ever anymore...... this means i can't get any of my meds (test) any of my checkups and tests to check for cancer....... welfare rejected me on the basis that i was able to work...... i wasn't even trying to get cash or anything, just the healthcare (great country we live in)........... do any of u know any programs avaliable that could possibly snare me some healthcare........... i don't have my degree yet so there is no way im goign to find a job with healthcare....
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08-18-2005, 10:25 PM
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Ups, even as a package handler part-time will give you benefits I believe. Alot of my friends that are self-employed work there part-time for the benefits. Philadelphia hub is always looking for help. Check it out. |
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08-19-2005, 11:53 PM
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08-20-2005, 03:03 AM
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Earlier this year I was sent to a sleep doctor and diagnosed with sleep apnea and I had a diagnosis and started treatment two weeks from my referral date. I’ve talked to people in countries with socialized medicine that had to wait six months to a year for the necessary tests and doctor visits to finally get treatment. My Father was diagnosed with prostate cancer and from the time of his referral to an oncologist to the time he started treatment was about a week. He’s doing fine so far! I only had to wait about 10 days for my MRI I had yesterday while that same MRI would have taken me on average over six months in Canada and some in certain areas of Canada has waited as long as a year. Do I want that over my American system? NO WAY!!! http://www.vhl.org/newsletter/vhl2001/01bjmric.htm Given that the above is all mostly anicdotal (n=1 case), all in all, I relish in my American healthcare. It’s not perfect but when you have insurance it’s some of the best available in the world. There are however problems with the uninsured that do not have access or cannot afford healthcare in American. There is debate over how many fall into this category but proponents on both sides of the issue estimate it to be between 15 and 44 million. It seems to me that it’s probably somewhere around 20 to 30 million, after eliminating those that can have it if they wanted but for whatever reason don’t sign up for it. I don’t know what socialized healthcare is like in Australia but it appears that critical procedures are handled well but elective or non-critical procedures have significant waiting lists as well. I also read that many people get private insurance to avoid the waiting lists at public hospitals by going to private hospitals for treatment. So it’s all not perfect. We in America also have a problem with prescription drug costs but that’s another story. --------------- Regardless, back to the topic at hand: There are a lot of ways to get insurance coverage. Most of them have to do with getting employed. Another way is to get onto public assistance if you qualify. If you’re over 65 you can get on Medicare. It’s easier if you’re married as you can often times get on a spouses benefit plan. Another way I did it was to go into business for myself and a few other partners (usually takes two or three people.) We started a corporation and then applied for group coverage with Blue Cross. They accepted our group and we were able to select which type of coverage we wanted and whala, we were covered. It took about three months to do though but it was worth it. BTW, a little secret, if you’re an owner/founder of a corporation you don’t have to have a paycheck to be covered in a group plan, all you have to do is make sure you pay your premiums. BTW, corporations are not hard to form, the best place is Delaware or Nevada. I also know that some counties (that’s COUNTIES) have county healthcare systems and county hospitals that anyone can use. The problem is that it’s generally lower quality and takes a while to get appointments for doctors and exams, which is expected in socialized medicine I guess. But hey, it is nearly free. I had a friend that used a county hospital for some heart trouble he was having before he got on an individual insurance plan. Many colleges and universities have clinics where you can go for cheap exams and treatment. I used my college clinic a few times for vaccinations and exams when I was in college. Finally there is a lot of information on the web about getting insurance. That maybe a good place to look as well. I do wish you luck in getting insurance though, there are a lot of ways to get it. Last edited by ASaxon; 08-20-2005 at 04:30 AM. |
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08-20-2005, 09:09 AM
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BigRagu: All I can say is, good luck. I don't know anything about your work/school/home situation, but I'll pray for the best for you. |
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08-21-2005, 01:48 AM
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A Saxon, my flatmate John wanted to reply to this, he has spent 5 years in the US. While it is good to see the effectiveness of healthcare treatment in the USA for those who have healthcare cover, it is nevertheless true that a large minority do not get access to that healthcare cover, which if you look at it objectively results in same type of problems that Canada has. You may be shocked by this comparison but in Canada they actually know how defective their system is because it is socialized whereas in the USA those not covered (and who die etc from their maladies) are not counted as causalties of the system. Now to Australia's healthcare system. We have a system which to use your terminology is partially 'socialized'. That is everybody has access to treatments that deal with basic or stand health issues (which includes but is not limited to life threatening problems). Nonetheless, one has the option in Australia to add to or by pass this system by having an additional healthcare coverage. So in effect you get the treatment you want when you want it. (Oh, and even in the 'socialized' system one choses {and people regularly do} their desired health provider). (You may object that this is more expensive yet evidence shows that contrary. US healthcare coverage which is private is far more expensive). This is not to say that we do not have problems in our system. We do! Indeed these problems are rather technical which is to say they pertain to the improvement of the delivery of proper and adequate healthcare to people. I must note as well that where there has been real difficulties in the hospital system here, they have arisen from the focusing of attention on financial returns and the minimum allocation of resources whether that be finincial, scientific or personel resulting from excessive use of certain economic theories derived from the improvement of the financial and economic health of an economy: generally termed economic rationalism. In other words we come to what is the motivating force in particular healthcare system? Should it primarily be financial (and/or social) reward, or rather the betterment of the health of those needing treatment (this latter is not socialism though socialist aspire to achieve this). Though it is certainly true that having a primary focus on health betterment does not and should not preclude financial and/or other rewards to those providing it, as they have studied and worked hard to achieve this. Now to the crux of the difference between the US healthcare system and the Australia one is; In the US the focus is on financial gain or reward. This has several advantages, quicker provision of new treatments, often times more efficient delivery of treatment for those who pay; Australia's system's primary focus is on the health betterment of the whole population and specifically treating and curing problems as they occur. Financial and other rewards are one result for health providers in the Australian system. I could go on but for now I leave it. Last edited by Matt Muscle; 08-21-2005 at 01:51 AM. |
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08-21-2005, 05:44 AM
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Well, not to get this thread into a healthcare debate I will just say this and leave it alone. It’s true that U.S. healthcare costs are one of our major problems in our system. While Australia’s healthcare costs are about 9% of its GNP the U.S. costs are almost 14% of our GDP (2003 data). The dynamics of why U.S. healthcare costs are higher than other countries are complex, in fact, too complex for this type of forum. You classify the various healthcare approaches to being financial and/or social in nature. I actually see it as being a free market or closed market difference. The U.S. system is far from a free market solution. Our system did not evolve out of fundamental free market ideologies and thus cannot be seen as such. Much of the problems we have with the cost of healthcare are directly related to those aspects of our system that are not free market oriented. Unfortunately, this not an appropriate topic for a HRT board so I’ll leave it at that. Some of what you said didn’t ring true to me but it wouldn’t be constructive to argue those points at this point so I won’t. Needless to say, the aspects of the U.S. system that makes it so great are exactly those areas of our healthcare that are open to free market forces. Namely, patient selection of medical services providers to use which has lead to fast high quality medical services. The aspects of our system that are not free market driven are directly related to increased costs. Unfortunately, I don’t think we should turn this board into a discussion on this topic as it’s not even why the threat was created. I don’t hide the fact that I don’t like “socialized” medicine and am glad that we don’t have it in the U.S. We definitely have our problems that we will be forced to deal with soon and I certainly hope we do not go in the direction of Canada, the UK or even Australia. There are better ways to do it IMO. Oh, and yes, in a free market approach there are solutions for the uninsured as well. But that's another story. Cheers! Last edited by ASaxon; 08-21-2005 at 05:49 AM. |
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08-21-2005, 09:19 PM
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What about student health insurance policies? When I was in college, we were required to pay for health insurance. I was working and had health insurance through work, but still was required to pay for the student policy, so I ended up being doubly insured. |
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