High DHT/Libido

[Iggy_347]

Question for the board......If a person has high DHT can lowering it have a positive effect on libido?
The reason I ask is that I have slightly high DHT 100(20-70) It has been even higher in the past when I used Avena Sativa 175 (20-=70) When my levels go up I can tell because my scalp begins to ache and I get more acne. A few nights ago my scalp was hurting worse than usual...and I would like to keep what little hair line I have left.......so I decided to take a Saw Palmetto dose. The next morning my scalp did not feel as sore and my libido was way stronger.......really horney. I was expecting the opposite, less libido......I was not planning on seeing my girlfriend for a few days so i figured that if my sex drive was low for a few days it would be ok.......but the exact opposite happened.

Any opinions would be welcome

Iggy

[chip douglas]

Originally Posted by Iggy_347

Question for the board......If a person has high DHT can lowering it have a positive effect on libido?
The reason I ask is that I have slightly high DHT 100(20-70) It has been even higher in the past when I used Avena Sativa 175 (20-=70) When my levels go up I can tell because my scalp begins to ache and I get more acne. A few nights ago my scalp was hurting worse than usual...and I would like to keep what little hair line I have left.......so I decided to take a Saw Palmetto dose. The next morning my scalp did not feel as sore and my libido was way stronger.......really horney. I was expecting the opposite, less libido......I was not planning on seeing my girlfriend for a few days so i figured that if my sex drive was low for a few days it would be ok.......but the exact opposite happened.

Any opinions would be welcome

Iggy

Interesting--I wonder too, cause I too have higher than max range DHT and I'm not on TRT.

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My scalp too would hurt a good bit when i ran my fingers through my hair, but it hardly ever hurts anymore.

I too am interested in knowing about the high DHT/ libido connection.

[FYI777]

Saw Palmetto my friend and ally. Nature's equivalent to Propecia without all the sides

You sometimes have to play with saw palmetto dosages, more is not better. For me less is more, I use the raw herb, extracts can be too strong. Good also for BPH. I use it on a alternating schedule one day on, one day off, about 500 mg. raw herb. Doesn't taste too bad either.

Hope this helps.

[James23]

I believe the DHT->libido correlation is a myth.

Where are the studies that confirm this?

The problem is -- in studies that only focus on DHT, a metabolite of testosterone, they're not taking into account that the higher DHT is a symptom of higher testosterone. It could be testosterone, alone, that is responsible for the libido.

I put absolutely NO credit into the DHT->Libido correlation. It seems to be one of those "messageboard facts" that noone has ever challenged.

My DHT has been teststed as low as 9 (20-50) while on 5-AR inhibitors, and believe me, my libido is completely unaffected!

[memeticist]

Originally Posted by James23

I believe the DHT->libido correlation is a myth.

Where are the studies that confirm this?

The problem is -- in studies that only focus on DHT, a metabolite of testosterone, they're not taking into account that the higher DHT is a symptom of higher testosterone. It could be testosterone, alone, that is responsible for the libido.

I put absolutely NO credit into the DHT->Libido correlation. It seems to be one of those "messageboard facts" that noone has ever challenged.

My DHT has been teststed as low as 9 (20-50) while on 5-AR inhibitors, and believe me, my libido is completely unaffected!

The majority of testosterone once inside the nervous system becomes either estrogen or DHT.

[Andromeda]

Iggy ahoy..
I finally got my first DHT results back and they were right at the high end of the reference range. DHT is the 'androgenic' testosterone, and I would have thought it is responsible for libido moreso perhaps than normal T, but who knows.
I think you might be right about lowering DHT having an increase in libido, but for reasons you might not have guessed. ie: Lowering DHT levels (especially those that appear high to start with) might reduce E2 levels that were high to counter the high DHT levels....


I believe this is why I have my gyne problem - high DHT that is being offset by excessive E2 production...

Regards,

[ili]

very interesting,I too am way over- 3260 ,top of range is 1600,i'm double the top,and libido is an issue for me too,would lowering it help libido,and how do you lower it safely when it's so high?

[chip douglas]

Originally Posted by ili

very interesting,I too am way over- 3260 ,top of range is 1600,i'm double the top,and libido is an issue for me too,would lowering it help libido,and how do you lower it safely when it's so high?

I would think Saw palmetto might help there. I too have high DHT without being on TRT--my last E2 was 35 which is too high, and my total T was only 427 ng/dl. I started on I3C today for the E2.

But getting back to DHT, it would be interesting to hear what Dr. Marianco would say about the DHT/libido connection....

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by chip douglas

I would think Saw palmetto might help there. I too have high DHT without being on TRT--my last E2 was 35 which is too high, and my total T was only 427 ng/dl. I started on I3C today for the E2.

But getting back to DHT, it would be interesting to hear what Dr. Marianco would say about the DHT/libido connection....

He has talked about DHT just click on his nick and then click on read his posts. SP only lowers DHT in the prostate last time I heard. I do have this.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm

[Iggy_347]

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Iggy ahoy..
I finally got my first DHT results back and they were right at the high end of the reference range. DHT is the 'androgenic' testosterone, and I would have thought it is responsible for libido moreso perhaps than normal T, but who knows.
I think you might be right about lowering DHT having an increase in libido, but for reasons you might not have guessed. ie: Lowering DHT levels (especially those that appear high to start with) might reduce E2 levels that were high to counter the high DHT levels....


I believe this is why I have my gyne problem - high DHT that is being offset by excessive E2 production...

Regards,

Hi Andromeda....good to hear from you
You may be on to something about the DHT/E2 connection......in the article Phil supplied it suggestes that DHT protects against Estrogen........I am going to do a lot more research on this...........I have hight DHT and High E2........for me it is a which came frist question.......is my E2 high becuase of excessive armotization or androgen production(my test levels are pretty high naturally) or is my DHT high because something else has driven up my E2 levels (inabliity to flush excess E2 from the liver?) and my body creates more DHT in an attempt to protect from the rise in E2.........or a combination of both.

For a good number of years I know that my high E2 levels were from excessive DHEA production (a number of adrenal tests have shown very hight DHEA production which i have since lowerd by taking a small amount of isocort in the morning......this has balanced out my DHEA but I continue to have elevated E2......but it does not elevate as quickly as it once did.......so an improvement has been made........

I have been lucky enought to get many my levels in good range to cure my ED and poor libido using suppliments/medications but I really want to find out what is the cause of the imbalance.

Like all of us here, I look to treat the cause rather than treat the symptom. Thanks for all of the feedback from everyone.

Iggy

[Iggy_347]

Originally Posted by FYI777

Saw Palmetto my friend and ally. Nature's equivalent to Propecia without all the sides

You sometimes have to play with saw palmetto dosages, more is not better. For me less is more, I use the raw herb, extracts can be too strong. Good also for BPH. I use it on a alternating schedule one day on, one day off, about 500 mg. raw herb. Doesn't taste too bad either.

Hope this helps.

FYI777
I have also been doing the alternatng schedule with S.P. and so far so good.....my scalp dosent hurt as much but I have not taken so much that it has effected my libido or erection quality.

We will see how it goes

[FYI777]

When taking Saw Palmetto my beard growth slows (less shaving) signaling lower DHT, DHT increases beard and body hair growth but NOT head hair growth!!!.

I have thinning on my head, but my brother (younger than me has lost much more hair) and I think the SP has helped me keep what I have so far. (Knock on wood)

You have to experiment with dosages as this is very important and highly individualistic. And you have to be consistant.

I don't think SP only lowers DHT in the prostate otherwise it would have no effect on my beard growth or hairline. My experience suggests otherwise....