How To Find a New Dr.

[HeadDoc]

Originally Posted by doughbooy

HeadDoc,

What if we just posted the city, state and zip and then if another member was interested they could PM for more details?

I think we have a winner.

[lepiricus]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

I think we have a winner.

I too, like this idea. I was thinking about this the other day. Because I am having a horrible time finding a decent doc and the anti-aging sites and such offer little help.

Obviously docs do not want it publicly known they are willing and more importantly, able, to do trt. They would have all sorts of guys on them wanting to get "hooked up". With the suggestion made, you could make a single thread and the members could post only the following information:

City, State
statisfaction rating (1-10)

You could delete any posts that attempted to hijack or give out names publicly.
People reading the thread could respond to the poster in PM. It would be the poster's own judgement call to release doc's name. I think that would be a good buffer to weed out knuckle-heads.

[stat1951]

Actually, I found numerous doctors in my area who claimed to do "state of art" TRT and who very openly discussed that "fact". Many bragged of the fact that they were already treating "many hypogonadal males".

Invariably, through further research (whether they were GPs, Endos, or Uros) I was dismayed to discover that they treated anywhere from a couple of hypogonadal patients - to maybe as many as ten. In every case the doctors thought that it was "a waste of time" to check for estrogens and estradiol levels or DHT levels. Two doctors specifically said, "For what? I wouldn't know how to treat it if it was too high anyway". One doctor specifically said that there was no need to do that as males do not have a uterous so don't produce estrogens (yet he was a doctor who "claimed" to be a TRT doctor).

And the TRT protocols?

1. Compounded T creams - especially if they were "alternative medicine" oriented doctors. And universally not covered by my insurance and therefore much higher in cost.

2. AndroGel (and occasionally Testim). One doctor went so far as to say that 5 grams of AndoGel would "cure any known hypogonadal state". He was the doctor who first started me on TRT and did so after testing ONLY Total T and PSA. No Free T. No LH and FSH. Etc. When asked about his regimen for follow-up, he stated he would check my Total T and PSA with my next annual physical (a year later).

3. IM Shots. Every doctor that I checked with but one used the protocol of 200 mg Test Cyp every other week. The one exception used the even older protocol of 400 mg Test Cyp once a month.

In every case (every one) the doctors not only declined to consider the use of HcG, but some expressed considerable concern that I was even asking about it. One doctor specifically referenced it being a medication strictly for female fertility.

So I think that it many cases it isn't a concern by the doctor that people will find out that they do HRT / TRT or deal with treating hypogonadal males (after all, every major medical clinic / hospital in this country - John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, etc., etc. recognizes Hypogonadism as a recognized medical disorder). Why would doctors be "embarrassed" that they are treating a legitimately recognized medical disorder? I don't think that the "really good" TRT practitioners are "afraid that the word will get out", I think that most of the really good ones would like for the word to get out.

And I think that doctors who are actually doing legitimate "state of art" TRT (like SWALE) are more than willing to let it be known who they are and what they offer.

The Yahoo H2 Hypogonadism forum has a file where members can openly post their doctor's information... with no apparent concern for legal entanglements. As long as the doctor isn't being bashed or slandered, what is the concern? The doctor is listed in the phone book (probably both in the business section and in the Yellow Pages) and is open for business and is treating hypogonadal males. What legal concerns are there? As far as I can see, posting a doctor's contact information on a forum is completely without legal concern (as long as there is no slander involved) simply because the member is doing nothing more than posting public information:

(A) If I can find the doctor's info in the phone book then it is a public listing
(B) If I call his office and ask if he treats hypogonadal males (before I would make an appointment), then that too is then public information

So what's the big deal?

Most medical forums that you would check (Thyroid Disorder Support Forums, Cushing's Disease Support Forums, Prostate Cancer Support Forums, etc., etc., etc.) almost universally have sections where recommended doctors can be posted with no concern (the Board simply announces that no bashing or slandering is allowed and refuses to post any postings that bash or slander). I am concerned here that a mountain is being made out of a molehill.

I think that a much bigger problem is that there will be relatively few doctors who end up getting posted simply as there are so few doctors that individuals are comfortable with recommending as being "really good" TRT practitioners.

In my case, I personally dealt with four and had pre-appointment discussions with probably another 18 - 20, 22 doctors (before finally just giving up) in my area (NE Ohio). I finally gave in and made the drive up to see SWALE. As it stands right now, from my personal experiences (both direct and through phone calls), I could recommend only one doctor - and that would be SWALE.

Now don't get me wrong, I think that this project is a good idea - a very good idea. After all, it might turn out that there's a very progressive TRT practitioner in my immediate area (and who is even on my insurance coverage!)...

Larry

[pmgamer18]

Larry that was so dam good will you please put this in the files section at the H2 group call it and att. to the Finding a New Dr. I could never put this in the words you just did and you put it so well.
Thanks Phil

[stat1951]

Phil,

Done.

Larry

[lepiricus]

The Yahoo H2 Hypogonadism forum has a file where members can openly post their doctor's information... with no apparent concern for legal entanglements. As long as the doctor isn't being bashed or slandered, what is the concern? The doctor is listed in the phone book (probably both in the business section and in the Yellow Pages) and is open for business and is treating hypogonadal males. What legal concerns are there? As far as I can see, posting a doctor's contact information on a forum is completely without legal concern (as long as there is no slander involved) simply because the member is doing nothing more than posting public information:

I checked this out. It seems there is less than 30 docs on that list and a good number of them are from the same states. Its a great idea though. I just wish it would expand a bit

[doughbooy]

Update on my Doc. I gave him Dr Crisler's papers and asked him to read it and give me his opinion. A week later I asked him his thoughts. He was very impressed and will now put me on HCG as soon as we do my next lab test and see the results. He said he will follow Dr Crisler's protocal. I am very happy.

Here is the info I can post on this Dr, please PM me for the rest.

Merrick, NY 11566

[stat1951]

Originally Posted by doughbooy

Update on my Doc. I gave him Dr Crisler's papers and asked him to read it and give me his opinion. A week later I asked him his thoughts. He was very impressed and will now put me on HCG as soon as we do my next lab test and see the results. He said he will follow Dr Crisler's protocal. I am very happy.

Here is the info I can post on this Dr, please PM me for the rest.

Merrick, NY 11566

Excellent news.

Wish that even 10% of the doctors were that cooperative! Actually the sad thing is that Dr Crisler's current protocols will probably be standard operating procedure... five or six years from now. My PCP (who was doing my TRT before I switched over to Dr. C) does IM shots - at the level of 200 mg every other week - and is proud of the fact that he is doing advanced TRT... no more of that 400 mg Test Cyp once a month for his patients... Sad.

Anyway congratulations on your doctor's response!

Larry

[doughbooy]

Originally Posted by stat1951

Excellent news.

Wish that even 10% of the doctors were that cooperative! Actually the sad thing is that Dr Crisler's current protocols will probably be standard operating procedure... five or six years from now. My PCP (who was doing my TRT before I switched over to Dr. C) does IM shots - at the level of 200 mg every other week - and is proud of the fact that he is doing advanced TRT... no more of that 400 mg Test Cyp once a month for his patients... Sad.

Anyway congratulations on your doctor's response!

Larry

Thanks Larry, looks like I lucked out. It's not every day a doctor is willing to learn something new when it's presented by their patient.

Derek

[doughbooy]

Well the PA i was seeing has left the practice. I met the Dr who runs the practice last night and since she had no idea what HCG was she would not renew my script. I have to print swale's work and some other stuff so she could read it. Im a bit frustrated but at least she is open minded enough to read it.

[novice]

www.allthingsmale.com

[snipe]

I had previously posted that I found my Doc through the Life Ext. Foundation listing. While ok, there are a couple of downsides. She will not write for HCG or HGH (will write for Test.) and I often find the office to be run in a disorganized manner. The overall environment and demeanor of the staff does not make one feel especially welcome either.

About 6 or 8 months ago I checked out the A4M listing and noticed the name of a local family practice D.O. whom I had taken my mother to see a few years back.
Well, "luckily" I developed a very sore throat this past week and decided to see him. I'm glad to report that he has been moving his practice in the direction of anti-aging/ preventative medicine. He's on TRT himself and will write for HCG and HGH if I desire. (Although HCG seems a bit hard to come by.) Very nice guy and his staff is the same.

Chalk one up for the A4M.

[Meat]

I hate the waiting, I wish more doctors were educated in this area. My doc said stay on the creams, even tho-my levels went from 370 to 267, I am paying for my prescription, and the injections are covered under my insurance,.......sucks having a doctor who is afraid of these
protocols..........I'll keep searching I guess.

[musclehead]

Originally Posted by doughbooy

HeadDoc,

What if we just posted the city, state and zip and then if another member was interested they could PM for more details?

Dothan, Alabama Can travel

[Trajan]

I have had some success looking up Drs. on a national testosterone tune-up list that was put together some while back. The website might have been posted elsewhere.

http://www.tuneupyourt.com/

[Giulio]

I met a doc after having searched for one for long long time. After a few checks he informed I would have late hypo. Nothing special to find out. As per him the best treatmend is to take Andriol!

Previously one put me on Testoviron for several weeks. So I commented Andriol would not have any effect, which today I can confirm.

Can you tell me a web site to find a doc in Asia or if not available in Europe? If one is known to you you also may indicate his details please!

Thank you for your hlep!

[pmgamer18]

Go to this site and send Nick O'Hara Smith an Email asking him this question. I am sure he may know someone. His link is on the left side.
http://www.androids.org.uk/

Originally Posted by Giulio

I met a doc after having searched for one for long long time. After a few checks he informed I would have late hypo. Nothing special to find out. As per him the best treatmend is to take Andriol!

Previously one put me on Testoviron for several weeks. So I commented Andriol would not have any effect, which today I can confirm.

Can you tell me a web site to find a doc in Asia or if not available in Europe? If one is known to you you also may indicate his details please!

Thank you for your hlep!

[MrT]

Originally Posted by SWALE

Thanks, Bruce.

Dr Swale:

I've spoken to my Family doctor (Who diagnosed me with hypogonadism) about HCG for my atrophying testes. She said "no, not safe" she refered me to a urologist who said the same thing. The urologist said the longest he would prescribe HCG would be 6 months. The long term effects they say are not known / proven. Can you provide anything that I can take back to them to maybe change their minds? I researched hypogonadism and shared the AACE guidelines with my Family Med doctor and she told me that this was excellent stuff. Told me she would incorporate it in the future.

So I guess I'm saying she is not closed minded. But I am concerned about HCG use. The atrophy biz makes me feel a bit like I'm going through puberty in reverse. I'm not interested in fertility. (Age 47, 2 kids, wife in menopause) so its really just a cosmetic thing. Androgel works great for me so I'm not interested in messing that up either. Right now the only thing being offered is testicular implants. Which I've wrapped my mind around but still....

Anyhow, thanks for anything you can provide that might help.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by MrT

Dr Swale:

I've spoken to my Family doctor (Who diagnosed me with hypogonadism) about HCG for my atrophying testes. She said "no, not safe" she refered me to a urologist who said the same thing. The urologist said the longest he would prescribe HCG would be 6 months. The long term effects they say are not known / proven. Can you provide anything that I can take back to them to maybe change their minds? I researched hypogonadism and shared the AACE guidelines with my Family Med doctor and she told me that this was excellent stuff. Told me she would incorporate it in the future.

So I guess I'm saying she is not closed minded. But I am concerned about HCG use. The atrophy biz makes me feel a bit like I'm going through puberty in reverse. I'm not interested in fertility. (Age 47, 2 kids, wife in menopause) so its really just a cosmetic thing. Androgel works great for me so I'm not interested in messing that up either. Right now the only thing being offered is testicular implants. Which I've wrapped my mind around but still....

Anyhow, thanks for anything you can provide that might help.

SWALE is not here anymore but maybe this link will help and you need to tell them your not doing 2500 IU's your talking about doing a low 250 IU's dose the 2 days before your next shot if your on shots or every 3rd day on gels.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/90/5/2595

[JustOne]

I need a new GP, its hard to find a good GP it seems, they all try and give you minimal quality service to make you come back again or if there busy they brush you off, so they can make more money wich is a joke.
My GP wont run requested tests for example DHEA and ACTH saying its an endocrinologists job and then he starts making excuses saying I would need to go to the head patholigist office and crap, if this is how far he goes to try protect himself from a lawsuit then hes beyond neurotic.

Even asking for a standard blood test he askes me to come back tommorow so he can do it, or when I asked for a copy of the letter from my urologist visit he said he would photocopy them tommorow, ffs all he had to do was get his secretary to photocopy it.

I be polite and he makes excuses, I get huffy and he stands up and starts leading me to leave the room.
I pay doctors for a service, fair enough they have ethics, and special secret medical board and insurance rules they need to abide by but its getting beyond the joke.

I cant wait to see my oncologist's reaction when I tell him I got rid of my GP and Urologist, hes gonna think hes next.


I dont know how to go about it, I am thinking of just rocking upto like 5 doctors in 1 day asking them all for an ACTH test, and telling them about my heartburn wich has progressed to dull chest pain. Then just going backto the one who seemed most intelligent and the least hung up on medical ethics.

Anyone got any other ideas?
btw I have an anti aging doctor, I need a regular GP who I can see without an apointment thats all, and who will do his job.