HPTA restart attempt due to ASIH, Finally have the goods for protocol-Please comment

[clocker]

ok I need to restart my HPTA due to ASIH and I have the following protocol.

hCG
Weeks 1-4 250iu's 6 days per week

Nolvadex
Weeks 1-11 20mg ED Tapered to 10mg and 5mg in the last 3 weeks

Clomid
Weeks 5-10 50mg ED tapered to 25mg and 12.5mg in the last 2 weeks

Arimidex
Weeks 5-13.5 0.5mg EOD

Saw Palmetto - for my sensitive prostate (it reacts quickly to androgens)
Weeks 1-6 1 Capsule BD


I can stretch out the clomid and nolvadex if need be, as I have read in the literature that some guys were on the combo for 6 months.

I am expecting this protocol to:

1. Restore testicle size
2. Normalise HPTA, i.e. LH and T levels for my age (25 years).
3. Return libido.
4. Return spontaneous erections.

I will let you know how it all goes.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by clocker

ok I need to restart my HPTA due to ASIH and I have the following protocol.

hCG
Weeks 1-4 250iu's 6 days per week

Nolvadex
Weeks 1-11 20mg ED Tapered to 10mg and 5mg in the last 3 weeks

Clomid
Weeks 5-10 50mg ED tapered to 25mg and 12.5mg in the last 2 weeks

Arimidex
Weeks 5-13.5 0.5mg EOD

Saw Palmetto - for my sensitive prostate (it reacts quickly to androgens)
Weeks 1-6 1 Capsule BD


I can stretch out the clomid and nolvadex if need be, as I have read in the literature that some guys were on the combo for 6 months.

I am expecting this protocol to:

1. Restore testicle size
2. Normalise HPTA, i.e. LH and T levels for my age (25 years).
3. Return libido.
4. Return spontaneous erections.

I will let you know how it all goes.

I do not see any blood testing being planned,

wish you luck.

[clocker]

Blood testing can only be done through a docotor in Australia and most doctors would frown apon "self-medication", so you need to be a little sly in getting tests ordered and then you need to see the doctor again for the results (they won't send them to you). I think I'll see if I can get one done around the 10-11 week mark.

Thanks for pointing out the oversight.

[nuncaquite]

Originally Posted by clocker

ok I need to restart my HPTA due to ASIH and I have the following protocol.

hCG
Weeks 1-4 250iu's 6 days per week

Nolvadex
Weeks 1-11 20mg ED Tapered to 10mg and 5mg in the last 3 weeks

Clomid
Weeks 5-10 50mg ED tapered to 25mg and 12.5mg in the last 2 weeks

Arimidex
Weeks 5-13.5 0.5mg EOD

Saw Palmetto - for my sensitive prostate (it reacts quickly to androgens)
Weeks 1-6 1 Capsule BD


I can stretch out the clomid and nolvadex if need be, as I have read in the literature that some guys were on the combo for 6 months.

I am expecting this protocol to:

1. Restore testicle size
2. Normalise HPTA, i.e. LH and T levels for my age (25 years).
3. Return libido.
4. Return spontaneous erections.

I will let you know how it all goes.

This tread brings up a question that I have had for some time...Wont taking arimidex and serms at the same time be kind of counter productive?

[coz]

Originally Posted by clocker

ok I need to restart my HPTA due to ASIH and I have the following protocol.

hCG
Weeks 1-4 250iu's 6 days per week

Nolvadex
Weeks 1-11 20mg ED Tapered to 10mg and 5mg in the last 3 weeks

Clomid
Weeks 5-10 50mg ED tapered to 25mg and 12.5mg in the last 2 weeks

Arimidex
Weeks 5-13.5 0.5mg EOD

Saw Palmetto - for my sensitive prostate (it reacts quickly to androgens)
Weeks 1-6 1 Capsule BD


I can stretch out the clomid and nolvadex if need be, as I have read in the literature that some guys were on the combo for 6 months.

I am expecting this protocol to:

1. Restore testicle size
2. Normalise HPTA, i.e. LH and T levels for my age (25 years).
3. Return libido.
4. Return spontaneous erections.

I will let you know how it all goes.

How long have you been shut down for ? Did you do any PCT after your last cycle ?

I have been through mutliple restarts, before I finally got it right. And most of the time I relapsed was due to not tappering the SERMS for long enough. My last one I took months at 20mg novla per day, then tappered down to 10mg a day for months, and then down to 10 M, W, F, and even now am on 10mg 2 times a week. My current test levels are about 650. I'll tapper down to 10 a week soon, then finally at some point stop.

Everyone is different and your protocol may work for you, especially if you didn't do PCT after your last cycle. Howevere if you did and replapsed, I would think about tappering the novla for a longer period after finishing everything else.

I agree with JanSz, you do need to have blood tests to know what is going on, and include tests for adrenals and thyroid - as these can also hamper your restart. Adrenals can get a big hit from doing cycles.

[rush74]

Be sure to keep us updated Clocker I for one am particularly interested as I may follow a similiar protocol myself as I am in the same boat due to AS

[Recless]

Drop the Arimidex altogether. There is no point in taking it if you are suffereing from ASIH. I do agree it will be counterproductive, esprcially if you have not had labs done to see where your estradiol stands now. When you come off a cycle exogenous T levels will of course rapidly drop to hypogonadal levels...estradiol will also drop to below normal levels along with it. The underlying goal of this restart is to normalize the metabolic pathways and return endocrine balance. Skewing this balance by taking an AI, for the sake of increasing serum T a little more is not the best overall strategy for recovery. In any event, even if post cycle estrogen is still elevated, the use of nolvadex will protect the HPTA from it's effects by blocking estrogen at the hypothalamus.

[clocker]

ok cool that's the sort of advice I was looking for.

[clocker]

How long have you been shut down for ? Did you do any PCT after your last cycle ?

I did no PCT originally (had no access to anything, customs busted 2 lots of hCG), but around 10 months after my last cycle I finally found a doctor that would prescribe hCG and I did 1500IU's of hCG over 3 weeks (250iu's every 3.5 days) followed by 20mg Nolvadex for 5 weeks then tapered to 10,5,5. I got some hairloss from the nolvadex and morning erections were pretty good. I can maintain an erection and climax. I got some very minor acne on my face so T levels should be pretty good (I know it's not a scientific method)....however.....
This has left me with balls that are within the normal range (according to a doctor), but not like how they were. I still don't get spontaneous erections at all and I feel that the nandrolone may have shrunk my penis by about 1.0-1.5 inches, I know everyone says that it isn't possible from gear, but the ruler doesn't lie, I swear I've lost some size since nandrolone shuts you down hard and is a progesterone related compound. I feel that this won't come back no matter how I setup my PCT now.
I'll see how this new beefed up protocol goes and hopefully I regain some normalcy in my life as this has been hanging over me for over a year now. The hCG should spike my T levels nicely and hopefully I catch a glimpse of what I'll be like after this is over.

I know I made a lot of mistakes with my AAS use and no one knows that more than I do, so please don't post hate. I'm trying to right the wrong. Thank-you for the advice so far.

[clocker]

I've notoced that for most PCT protocols people are using 500iu's per day for 10 days...now I am unsure how to use my hCG.
What do the senior members recommend? My longer protocol or the shorter one at a higher dosage?

[clocker]

I just looked at the information in the packet (silly me) and the dosage guidelines for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism is 500-1000IU 2-3 times per week.

Which is 1000iu's to 3000iu's per week total. They did not give a dosage time, but I think that 3 weeks is plenty of time for the boys to regenerate.

So here goes I have access to a total of 7500IU's, this works out to 2500IU's per week (5 x 500iu's ampules). I just have to wait another month to get one more box (1500IU's) on the prescription that I have.
I have emailed the company (Organon) about more precise dosage timelines and guidelines and will let you know what they say.

[lou123]

[quote=coz;586756]How long have you been shut down for ? Did you do any PCT after your last cycle ?

I have been through mutliple restarts, before I finally got it right. And most of the time I relapsed was due to not tappering the SERMS for long enough. My last one I took months at 20mg novla per day, then tappered down to 10mg a day for months, and then down to 10 M, W, F, and even now am on 10mg 2 times a week. My current test levels are about 650. I'll tapper down to 10 a week soon, then finally at some point stop.

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So have you stopped alltogether or are you still at 10mg week ? I found that at little as 5mg a week kept my T levels up after 6 weeks on much higher doses but when i stopped entirely 4 weeks later my T levels were back just above where they were when i started.

4 weeks after your last dose is the real test to see if your HPTA is functioning again

[coz]

I'm on 10mg once a week, and was on 10mg twice a week for about 4months before this. All up I have been on Novladex for about 1.5yrs. My Dr is quite happy with the results, and said 10mg a week wouldnt be doing much, but I'm heistant to stop it completely until my thryoid and adrenals are fully addressed - which I'm working on now.

How long did you try only 5mg a week for ? And how often did you get blood work done during this time ? If it was only 6 weeks from a much higer dose, and you only got tests done at the end. Your levels could have been dropping the whole time you were on 5mg. My T levels have actually increased over time, as I decreased the dose I was taking.

I'm in no hurry to tapper completely off, as if 10mg a week keeps my levles over 650, then thats good with me. Much better than weekly shots, and always trying to tweak things to feel decent. Although I will try stopping at some point - to see/prove my levels stay.

[lou123]

Originally Posted by coz

I'm on 10mg once a week, and was on 10mg twice a week for about 4months before this. All up I have been on Novladex for about 1.5yrs. My Dr is quite happy with the results, and said 10mg a week wouldnt be doing much, but I'm heistant to stop it completely until my thryoid and adrenals are fully addressed - which I'm working on now.

How long did you try only 5mg a week for ? And how often did you get blood work done during this time ? If it was only 6 weeks from a much higer dose, and you only got tests done at the end. Your levels could have been dropping the whole time you were on 5mg. My T levels have actually increased over time, as I decreased the dose I was taking.

I'm in no hurry to tapper completely off, as if 10mg a week keeps my levles over 650, then thats good with me. Much better than weekly shots, and always trying to tweak things to feel decent. Although I will try stopping at some point - to see/prove my levels stay.

My doc was real good with blood tests and let me get a copy of the results. I tried restarting several times and one time I know i tapered down over 20 weeks with blood tests every 4 weeks.

The only reason I even found out I have low T is because I had gyno which was removed.

I'm 39 5 foot 8 and weigh 210 with less than 15% BF can BP 315 pounds for 6 reps and have the sex drive of a 18 year old. I have to shave every day.

My blood test today showed a T level of 280 !!!!!!!!!! The only way I can explain this is my SHBG is very low (10 on a scale of 10-60 from Quest) so the T I do have is mostly free.

I didn't feel any different with my T level about 900 on Tamox and Clomid than I do today at 280.

I could do TRT but I feel no need and I get hairloss from T even in low dosages