HRT and Progesterone

[winger]

Why do some HRT Dr's prescribe it?
Not naming any names, but an Arizona Doctor comes to mind.

[1cc]

To control DHT and Estrogen.

[SWALE]

If you want to ELEVATE estrogens' effects.

[SPE]

Yeah, I've tried it before and got hot flashes.

[winger]

Originally Posted by SWALE

If you want to ELEVATE estrogens' effects.

Would that be good on TRT?

[love_en]

So many bros here need to curb the effects of E2. Furthermore, the only progesterone antagonists I know of are some drugs that are not used very much in medicine. At least E2 can be managed with Armidex. RU 486 is the progesterone antagonist I know of, good luck finding that at your local pharmacy.

[stat1951]

Originally Posted by love_en

So many bros here need to curb the effects of E2. Furthermore, the only progesterone antagonists I know of are some drugs that are not used very much in medicine. At least E2 can be managed with Armidex. RU 486 is the progesterone antagonist I know of, good luck finding that at your local pharmacy.

RU 486 is the progesterone antagonist that is FDA approved as the well-known abortion pill. Interestingly, the FDA has restricted its use only to that diagnosis and any other diagnostic use can only be obtained via a Campassionate Use waiver from the FDA and must be processed through the Feminist Majority as they are the only holders of RU486 in the US at this time (no one else will touch it for political reasons).

That is unfortunate as RU486 is a viable medication for individuals who have super levels of hypercortisolism due to medical Cushing's that (especially in situations where surgical interevntion i not possible). Also there is considerable current research going on involving the use of RU486 on a high-dose but extremely short-term basis (4 - 7 days) for the treatment of psychological disorders involving hypercortisolism with dysfunctional HPA problems. Most of the research was initially being done by Sanford University but the NIH has recently become involved in that research also. Results have looked so promising that the FDA has actually fast-tracked RU486 for possible approval in that neuropsychiatric field.

Larry

[winger]

Originally Posted by 1cc

To control DHT and Estrogen.

Is this possible with a Progesterone cream from the vitamin store, 22 mg per 1/4 teaspoon daily?

[1cc]

Originally Posted by winger

Is this possible with a Progesterone cream from the vitamin store, 22 mg per 1/4 teaspoon daily?

Supplementing progesterone is not good for a man. Just like Estrogen, it can also cause gynecomastia. If you do a search for "swale" and "progesterone", you can see what swale has to say about progesterone.

[winger]

Originally Posted by 1cc

Supplementing progesterone is not good for a man. Just like Estrogen, it can also cause gynecomastia. If you do a search for "swale" and "progesterone", you can see what swale has to say about progesterone.

Wow, service with a smile.
No offence but some hrt doctors love to prescribe progesterone cream. I am just wondering if there is a middle?
Some doctors say it keeps estrogen in check. Us men as we get older have lower amounts. I want to hear it all. I am only here for info only.

[1cc]

There are some doctors that like to raise progesterone as much as 2.5 times the top of the normal range. Such a doctor would be Dr. Philip Miller author of an excellent book called "The Life Extension Revolution". On the other hand Dr. Miller also advocates using Finasteride to control DHT, and this is a definite no no. So, nobody is perfect I guess.

IMPO, I don't think it is a good idea to raise progesterone or for that matter, any hormone, above the top of the normal range, because then it would not be "normal" anymore. If one does a test for progesterone and finds that one is deficient, then by all means something should be done about that. A deficiency in progesterone is probably more so an indication of a deficiency in pregnenolone. Supplementing pregnenolone is one of the primary methods Dr. Philip Miller uses to raise progesterone.

I believe, from Swale's experience, that he has observed that high progesterone levels are what causes gynecomastia in many cases. He did not say how high progesterone would have to be to cause gyno. I would trust his opinion on this because of his tremendous experience with TRT. Swale also, I believe, does not advocate the use of Finasteride to control DHT, knowing that this drug has messed up many guys hormones.

We are all here to learn. That book I mentioned in the beginning is a must have, but never take anything as gospel.

[winger]

Nice, thanks for taking the time to respond.

[marianco]

So what does Swale do to reduce hair loss when testosterone levels are increased? Testosterone is converted to estrogen and DHT. Thus increasing testosterone also leads to increased estrogen and DHT levels - each with their negatives.

It seems important to control DHT levels otherwise you'll be bald with TRT - which is unacceptable to many men.

[pmgamer18]

If your seeing Dr. John he sells a hair product to help with hair loss.

[marianco]

Of products that may reduce hair loss, I only see Nizoral 2% shampoo on Dr. John's allthingsmale site. Nizoral 2% shampoo may help but from reading other's experiences and reports, it does not do a good job.

Finesteride and the hair laser seem to be the only non-surgical hair loss remedies that reliably work.