Injection Frequency - How does this look?

[Megazoid]

Before doing anything i am going to pass this all by Dr M to see if he agrees or not. I want to get on full hormone replacement treatment. Being testosterone injections and HCG.

What is the half-life of testosterone enthanate? From what i am reading Test Cyp is 4/5 days which would make weekly injections difficult unless i responded well to HCG (which is difficult to say with my insane nuts).

The last time weekly injections made me feel ALLOT worse libido/ED wise but this was most likely due to outstanding adrenal and thyroid issues:

How does this protocol look:

62.5mg of testosterone enthanate on monday morning
250iu of HCG on wednesday morning
62.5mg of testosterone enthanate on thursday morning
250iu of HCG on sunday morning

I think the bi-weekly will help control E2 better and hopefully avoid the rollercoaster ride? Thinking of shooting with a 25/27 gauge needle?

Would weekly be better with HCG on sat/sun at 250iu a time?

[pmgamer18]

This will work much better then shots every week.

[onenut]

I do 125mg of test cyp every Sunday and .25 of arimidex on Sundays and Wednesdays. I don't suffer any ups and down at all. It seems to be a very well balanced plan for my body and I have wood almost every morning. I don't use HCG because I found with my chronic testicle pain that atrophy reduces the pain to almost nothing. I already have all of the kids I want so I could care less about being sterile. Besides, the smaller the grapes, the bigger you tool looks :-)

The half life of test cyp is between 6-8 days. I was doing 100mg every 5 days and found that to be a pain and inconvenient. I didn't notice any difference at all by moving to every 7 days.

[Megazoid]

Special thanks for all the replies chaps.

I believe 100mg wouldn't be enough for me right now. I have low E2 and free t, i never really finished puberty full either (stuck near the end stage) and lack muscle growth and masculation. I do have a beard but not full sides like i wanted.

SHBG has always been "normal" for some reason. Always hovering between 30/40.

Gels and creams are usless because i am hypothyroid and they are too expensive.

I did 125mg before of Test e and felt terrible for some reason. It basically made my erections and libido worse than before (which i truelly felt wasn't even possible).

Even on nothing i find i can sometimes get morning wood and night time erections, just not too strong and no sensation, no libido, etc when i wake up.

I was thinking maybe 75mg of test twice weekly would help lower E2 spikes and keep me more stable due to the fact there wouldn't be a massive rise of E2 within the first few days from 125/150mg? What is the half life of testosterone enthanate?

What is best 125mg of 150mg? I want to get free t to the top of the range and high DHT for hair growth and masculazation. Would be nice to have some muscles too, which i have never had.

I am going to treat adrenals first using the cortisol and dhea replacement. Then add in the thyroid because the last time i did them both together i felt really bad, maybe because the cortisol didn't have enough time to work before taking the thyroid medication. Or the fact it made my testosterone issues worse?

I want to avoid armidex and other estridol lowering drugs i can. I am pretty skinny so can't see E2 being much of a problem, i am also young with no gyno or anything.

Ultiamtely i thought HCG at 500iu 3x weekly might be worthwhile (Without the testosterone) but really i cannot rely on my nut's, they are not doing good in school.

[JackBauer]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Gels and creams are usless because i am hypothyroid

Can you explain that?

Also - are you self treating while seeing Dr. M? Or did he prescribe a particular regimen?

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Special thanks for all the replies chaps.

I believe 100mg wouldn't be enough for me right now. I have low E2 and free t, i never really finished puberty full either (stuck near the end stage) and lack muscle growth and masculation. I do have a beard but not full sides like i wanted.

SHBG has always been "normal" for some reason. Always hovering between 30/40.Gels and creams are usless because i am hypothyroid and they are too expensive.

I did 125mg before of Test e and felt terrible for some reason. It basically made my erections and libido worse than before (which i truelly felt wasn't even possible).

Even on nothing i find i can sometimes get morning wood and night time erections, just not too strong and no sensation, no libido, etc when i wake up.

I was thinking maybe 75mg of test twice weekly would help lower E2 spikes and keep me more stable due to the fact there wouldn't be a massive rise of E2 within the first few days from 125/150mg? What is the half life of testosterone enthanate?

What is best 125mg of 150mg? I want to get free t to the top of the range and high DHT for hair growth and masculazation. Would be nice to have some muscles too, which i have never had.

I am going to treat adrenals first using the cortisol and dhea replacement. Then add in the thyroid because the last time i did them both together i felt really bad, maybe because the cortisol didn't have enough time to work before taking the thyroid medication. Or the fact it made my testosterone issues worse?

I want to avoid armidex and other estridol lowering drugs i can. I am pretty skinny so can't see E2 being much of a problem, i am also young with no gyno or anything.

Ultiamtely i thought HCG at 500iu 3x weekly might be worthwhile (Without the testosterone) but really i cannot rely on my nut's, they are not doing good in school.

You have
SHBG=40 (this requires a lot of testosterone)
you want to have FreeT~250 per dr Shippen (dr Delgado wants even more, 300)
using dr Shippens chart post #41
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2
you need
TT~1200

using post #40
you need Testosterone 175mg/week or tiny bit more
you should use E3D dosing
assuming 200mg/mL testosterone Enanthate
175/200/7*3=0.375cc=37.5 units on insuline syringe (or 38 units) for each shot.
do SubQ shots around navel
use this (very small) needle or similar

BD Ultrafine U-100 Insulin Syringe 30 Gauge 1/2cc 1/2Inch 100/Box Price: $23.50
BD Ultrafine U-100 Insulin Syringe 30 Gauge 1/2cc 1/2Inch 100/Box

forget your testis, do not use hcg, let them shring, it will stop hurting you.

Use either Liquidex or Anastrozole 0.5cc/E3D (if you have E2 problems)

After 2-3 months do good test to adjust doses.

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Anastrozole
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testosterone injections are known to raise E2, but the only way to know for sure is testing.

[Megazoid]

Wow! thanks guys. Nice to have all the support.

JanSz, you're such a star bro, you've opened my mind to a few things now.

I wasn't ware of the SHBG link and high testosterone beign required for high SHBG. Can you explain this further? Dr M did say the "ratio" of E to testosterone was off in me and that my E2 should have been higher for the testosterone level i had (can't remember the perfect ratio for this?). Dr M (and various other "anti-aging" doctors and endos) also said my SHBG was perfect, in fact a few people mentioned it was exactlly what it should be for my age. The "norm" if you will. I thought low SHBG (like what James on the forum has - also a young dude like myself) was more of a problem.

Does this mean people with low SHBG require less testosterone (such as 75/100mg's weekly)? Do they have naturally higher E2 or something?

On salivia test (not accurate - though one blood test did report it also) my free t was low (really low on salivia test in fact). Could this be due to the lack of testosterone?

I also want to use HCG to keep testicular size and fertility. When my testicles are hanging = less pain. Twice a week is fine for HCG.

Testaplex E250 (Axiolabs) 10 ml is what i will be using. Not 200.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Wow! thanks guys. Nice to have all the support.

JanSz, you're such a star bro, you've opened my mind to a few things now.

I wasn't ware of the SHBG link and high testosterone beign required for high SHBG. Can you explain this further? Dr M did say the "ratio" of E to testosterone was off in me and that my E2 should have been higher for the testosterone level i had (can't remember the perfect ratio for this?). Dr M (and various other "anti-aging" doctors and endos) also said my SHBG was perfect, in fact a few people mentioned it was exactlly what it should be for my age. The "norm" if you will. I thought low SHBG (like what James on the forum has - also a young dude like myself) was more of a problem.

Does this mean people with low SHBG require less testosterone (such as 75/100mg's weekly)? Do they have naturally higher E2 or something?

On salivia test (not accurate - though one blood test did report it also) my free t was low (really low on salivia test in fact). Could this be due to the lack of testosterone?

I also want to use HCG to keep testicular size and fertility. When my testicles are hanging = less pain. Twice a week is fine for HCG.

Testaplex E250 (Axiolabs) 10 ml is what i will be using. Not 200.

#1, give up on your balls, let them shrink.
they are making your life miserable.
(when you are ready to make baby, we will talk again.)
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SHBG level depends on your T and E levels.
High T pushes SHBG down
High E increase SHBG
During first year (or two) you have to do frequent testing to know where you are.
Your goal is:
per dr Shippen, FreeT~250
per dr Delgado, FreeT~300
have as much TotalT as you need to get FreeT where you want.
do not test for FreeT, (unless you can get the one and only test from Quest)
use dr Shippen's chart I gave you, post #41

Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2


When doing adjustments, aim for this numbers provided by Dr Delgado (regardless of your age):

Guest Lecturer II: Sexual Healing by Dr. Nick Delgado - Page 6
I will also suggest that aging is going to include a decline of hormones,
within genetic differences, expect to augment back Testosterone,
I keep mime and my clients under doctors monitoring,
around 1000 to 1,200 ng/ml Total T,
and Free T at upper range of 200 to 300 (or 20 to 40 pg/mldepending on the nomenclature)
Aldosterone is best at 10 to 40 ug/24 hr,
IGF-1 around 250 to 400 ng/ml.
DHT 60 to 70 ng/dl,
DHEA 300 ug/dl,
insulin under 5,
SHBG 10 to 30 nmol/l,
Estradiol 35 pg/ml,
with about 20 (2OHE) to 1 -16aOHE.
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For DHEAs I follow LEF (500-600)

[zkt]

Mega, you might want to look at this. There are time-concentration curves of T, E2 and DHT in the link.
arimidex dosing