Insane Dr's

[Bill-NJ]

I thoughts I'd share this with everyone here, as great as I was feeling the last few weeks I dropped a little the last week I am guessing E2 levels due to increased testosterone. I e mailed my Dr concerned about E2 and her eis his response "Most doctors who say estrogen is bad for a man do it as they have an ulterior motive like making money selling a supplement to lower estrogen such as Chrysin. Estradiol levels should be 50 to 100 for optimal health, prevent dementia, hypertension, heart disease, etc. Just add estradiol to your prescription for blood tests and we will know. If it’s over 100 then I will prescribe an Anastrozole (Arimidex) .5 mg once or twice weekly depending on your level. Those who try to lower it below 50, in my opinion, are trying to kill you because it makes them money".

Other than this he is a great Dr but he did agree to do whatever is needed to restore my quality of life I think the 20 or so articles I sent him may have changed his thinking

50 - 100 pg/ml HOLY SH*T! I was at 51 made some changes to drop it and felt GREAT and I am sure the new changes just made will do the same (fingers crossed)

[pmgamer18]

So now what are you going to do teach her here is a study on E's. Just show her this one and if this does not open her eyes run from her she is not a good Dr.
Effects of Aromatase Inhibition in Elderly Men with Low or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels -- Leder et al. 89 (3): 1174 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
High E2 in men stops them form making testosterone they have labs of very high E2 over 50 pg/ml that show there LH and FSH very low because trhe brain thinks the High E2 is testosterone you see the brain can't tell the difference so when your E2 is high your brain thinks it Testosterone and stops sending the LH and FSH messages to make testosterone. A lot of Dr.'s that don't test E2 and see this think the guy is Secondary or has a pituitary problem when all it is is high E2.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Bill-NJ

I thoughts I'd share this with everyone here, as great as I was feeling the last few weeks I dropped a little the last week I am guessing E2 levels due to increased testosterone. I e mailed my Dr concerned about E2 and her eis his response "Most doctors who say estrogen is bad for a man do it as they have an ulterior motive like making money selling a supplement to lower estrogen such as Chrysin. Estradiol levels should be 50 to 100 for optimal health, prevent dementia, hypertension, heart disease, etc. Just add estradiol to your prescription for blood tests and we will know. If it’s over 100 then I will prescribe an Anastrozole (Arimidex) .5 mg once or twice weekly depending on your level. Those who try to lower it below 50, in my opinion, are trying to kill you because it makes them money".

Other than this he is a great Dr but he did agree to do whatever is needed to restore my quality of life I think the 20 or so articles I sent him may have changed his thinking

50 - 100 pg/ml HOLY SH*T! I was at 51 made some changes to drop it and felt GREAT and I am sure the new changes just made will do the same (fingers crossed)

Quest

Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)

FreeE2 (0.45 - 0.6)

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Bill-NJ

I thoughts I'd share this with everyone here, as great as I was feeling the last few weeks I dropped a little the last week I am guessing E2 levels due to increased testosterone. I e mailed my Dr concerned about E2 and her eis his response "Most doctors who say estrogen is bad for a man do it as they have an ulterior motive like making money selling a supplement to lower estrogen such as Chrysin. Estradiol levels should be 50 to 100 for optimal health, prevent dementia, hypertension, heart disease, etc. Just add estradiol to your prescription for blood tests and we will know. If it’s over 100 then I will prescribe an Anastrozole (Arimidex) .5 mg once or twice weekly depending on your level. Those who try to lower it below 50, in my opinion, are trying to kill you because it makes them money".

Other than this he is a great Dr but he did agree to do whatever is needed to restore my quality of life I think the 20 or so articles I sent him may have changed his thinking

50 - 100 pg/ml HOLY SH*T! I was at 51 made some changes to drop it and felt GREAT and I am sure the new changes just made will do the same (fingers crossed)

contacts jansz drs and get proper treatment and stop paying shit load of money to these drs. No amt of money is going to help your cause. May be with stuff provided here you may be able to sway him if not contact jasz dr if you have to it worst probably 50-60 an office vist if out of pocket. but atleast insurance will pick up meds..Like I said to it may be the change in the dhea and pregnonlone that may be causing the shirft to higher FT levels as well as e2 so it may stabilize in a few days,. Prggemrer told me this many time just ride it out for a week or so to see if body stabilizies. You just made those changes about a week or so ago so you may be feeling the difference..

[Bill-NJ]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

contacts jansz drs and get proper treatment and stop paying shit load of money to these drs. No amt of money is going to help your cause. May be with stuff provided here you may be able to sway him if not contact jasz dr if you have to it worst probably 50-60 an office vist if out of pocket. but atleast insurance will pick up meds..Like I said to it may be the change in the dhea and pregnonlone that may be causing the shirft to higher FT levels as well as e2 so it may stabilize in a few days,. Prggemrer told me this many time just ride it out for a week or so to see if body stabilizies. You just made those changes about a week or so ago so you may be feeling the difference..

I already have JanSz Dr's info but he is 75 miles away I am going to look for an open minded DO near my house I did see a few listed if not I will go to JanSz Dr. As you know we are trying something with my E2 now I'll give it a few weeks and see what happens

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Bill-NJ

I already have JanSz Dr's info but he is 75 miles away I am going to look for an open minded DO near my house I did see a few listed if not I will go to JanSz Dr. As you know we are trying something with my E2 now I'll give it a few weeks and see what happens

I tihnk the changes that we made will take about 2 weeks to stabilize from.
Dropping your dhea and pregennolone will lower your e2 considerable and when that happens it going to bump up your free T and well as total testosterone is going to go up. Given the fact (who ever had the idea ) of injection T with an insulin needle into your ass could also be causing an increase of e2 from it being stored in the fat tissues for longer time.
Simple moving your shot to your shoulder and leg (there is less fat and probably less aromtaise) your testosterone should hit about 1000 and e2 should drop like a rock to 30 -35 in about 2 weeks. Why you are feeling like crap for past few days is your body is reshifting and your getting an sudden increase of free T at the same time e2 is restabilzing so it just needs to level out is all and you shoud be in good shape..

[Bill-NJ]

Everything sorted out with Dr there was confusion on TOTAL estrogens and E2 I am OK with TOTAL estrogens in the 50 - 100 range just not my E2. Dr agreed to the tests I suggested and will review and treat accordingly

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Bill-NJ

Everything sorted out with Dr there was confusion on TOTAL estrogens and E2 I am OK with TOTAL estrogens in the 50 - 100 range just not my E2. Dr agreed to the tests I suggested and will review and treat accordingly

If one can manipluate e2 with out drugs that would be the way to go..by making alterations in your current regime may be all that you need to get the job done..Why add a drug when not needed right ?

[Bill-NJ]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

If one can manipluate e2 with out drugs that would be the way to go..by making alterations in your current regime may be all that you need to get the job done..Why add a drug when not needed right ?

Exactly and I think it was just some tweaks to the changes I needed but it is good to know my Dr now understands my comcerns