Libido boosters?

[zkt]

Originally Posted by Recless

I am currently using carbidopa-levodopa with great success. I would be careful using Bromo or Dostinex as both list some serious side effects.

Interesting. What doseage and what changes have you observed?

[zkt]

Originally Posted by Sunkist

Libido comes from Dopamine. How about Bromo or Deprenyl?

I think this is an oversimplification. Much more to it than just dopamine. Altho increasing dopamine can definitely increase mojo. I clearly remember times when my dopamine was thru the roof and no mo mojo. But agree it sure helps and low levels will kill it for sure.

[Valderama]

Originally Posted by Sunkist

Libido comes from Dopamine. How about Bromo or Deprenyl?

How would you explain, low libido on anti depressants as they rais dopamine.

[Sargovar]

Originally Posted by Valderama

How would you explain, low libido on anti depressants as they rais dopamine.

I believe the antidepressants that are known to lower libido/cause ED (SSRIs) mostly work on serotonin, and only have a very slight influence on dopamine, if any at all. They also raise your prolactin levels, and high serotonin + high prolactin = zombie dick.

On the other hand, antidepressants such as Wellbutrin, which mainly work on norepinephrine and dopamine, very rarely cause sexual side effects. In fact, many men report that their libidos are enhanced by taking them.

[loopy107]

I was on wellbutrin before and it worked good for me as far as libido and focus. Then I lost control of e2 levels and libido went to shit. I only felt rushes of energy and confusion. I did have great results of off two supplements about 3-4 years ago. I took nitro t3 and after 4 weeks I felt great. I was still trying to recover form tren and my levels were in the mid 400's. My libido was very strong, felt very focused and made good gains in the gym. I couldn't believe it. I also took vitrix and it hit me like a ton of bricks after two hours of taking it. My libido ran wild right away and my t levels were low at the time as well.

If you want something that works quick then vitrix is the way to go, but I felt better and made better gains of off nitro t3 it just takes about 3-4 weeks to real start working.

[hardasnails1973]

vitex probably worked because your low e2 same as t3 nitro as well. Amzing you thought you were high and you were actually low !!

[loopy107]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

vitex probably worked because your low e2 same as t3 nitro as well. Amzing you thought you were high and you were actually low !!

E2 has been a bitch to me when I was on trt and that's why I had no success on it. Your correct the t3 and vitrix worked better because I had no e2 problem while on it.

[hardasnails1973]

reason why it worked for you is because it raised e2 up which gave you a boost of e2 which you needed to get erections going plus an increase in serotonin too

[phxskye215]

I am amazed to read many posts on this forum. it gives me great insight into priorities and desperation to solve all our issues. Sometime the answers are so simple and we overlook them and chose options that further complicate the delicate balance within our bodies and between our ears. BALANCE HORMONES,STABLEIZE NEUROTRANSMITTERS AND BRING FLOWERS! Thank HEADDOC for your role in redirecting some thinking. Here is a female perspective, one that I subscribe to:
Quoted from T.S. Wiley
"LIBIDO: Ever hear of pheromones. Your partner may need a rhythm too!
The delicate interplay of hormones and behavior (not to mention culture) that goes into the nebulous state we term “libido” is complicated beyond human understanding. But, what we do know is that airborne hormones called pheromones that bounce between all living things, plant and animal, speaking volumes. These molecules program human behavior when it comes to mate selection. Individual immune systems literally choose the perfect compliment for success in reproduction.
That’s the reason, one person looks so hot and another equally likely candidate doesn’t. That’s why they called the Al Pacino movie, The Scent of a Woman. Both men and women have a distinctive odor that can’t be detected as a “smell”, but can be registered by an organ behind the nose called vomeronasal organ, or Jacobson's organ. Animals and plants exchange pheromones, too. That’s why men bring flowers to women in exchange for the possibility of sexual favors. The flower release pheromones that can mimic sex hormones in our brains.
Terence McKenna proposed in his book "Food of the Gods" suggested that certain chemicals produced in abundance in various hallucinogenic plants and fungi, such as dimethyltryptamine and psilocybin may act as pheromones produced by one species (the vegetal) waiting for absorption by various others, for example, early primates. In this way a kind of ecological pheromonal system may be at work among species and ecosystems that have coevolved closely for long stretches of time.
In your own bedroom, the ecosystem between you and your significant other is also pheromone-controlled. Since pheromones are airborne hormones, they “fall-off” the same way our major endocrine systems fail as we age. That means we lose our scent. We don’t smell sexy anymore, because we don’t have a cycle. (see page 26 in Sex, Lies and Menopause) Men exude the same chemical attractants…or don’t, depending on their age. The same way libido is a brain function driven by estrogen in both men and women (men convert testosterone right in the brain to estrogen to drive libido), pheromones can only happen in fertile or, in our case, pseudo-fertile animals. Another reason to consider the Wiley Protocol®"

[Sargovar]

Just an update.. I've been taking Dostinex for a short while now. With only two 0.25 mg servings in my system so far, I already notice improvements (I'm taking one quarter of a pill twice a week as instructed, though I did not get these via prescription). I've never really had problems getting it up, so I can't comment on whether or not that has changed. However, it has shortened my refractory period at least somewhat. For a long time I felt like it had gotten so bad that I could barely have an orgasm once every four days or so.. and even then it would require a lot of effort and not really feel good when I finally did "accomplish" the deed. But now I can go once a day and it feels like I'm getting close and personal with god himself when I cum.. (scuse the graphic details gents, and ma'am phxskye ). The pleasure of it is definitely heightened.. it is almost a transcendental experience, a shockwave that runs through my body.. heh, I burst into spontaneous laughter the other day afterwards out of sheer joy. Must be the dopamine!

I've only ever measured my prolactin once, and it came back at 200 mU/I on a range of 50 - 300, but apparently lowering it makes a positive difference in my case. The increase in dopamine certainly hasn't hurt, either.. I've felt better overall ever since I started taking this stuff - more energetic, mentally focused and content. I even get these good, happy feelings that I haven't experienced in a long while. Hell, music sounds more inspiring and colors seem more vivid, as do other aesthetic stimuli. However, my fatigue and other problems still persist (low test and such), so this is only a temporary fix, nothing I will continue indefinitely. Besides, driving prolactin too low isn't good for you, either, as Dr. John once said.. though I forget the mechanisms involved.

Anyways, so far so good.. in spite of everything. And the best part is I've gotten absolutely zero side-effects from it.. no nausea, no tiredness, no drop in blood pressure (which I measured before I popped the first 0.25 mg, and it came back at 117/58.. a second measurement at the end of the week after having taken two quarters total came back at 119/60).

As a disclaimer, I must state that I am not a licensed physician, nor do I advocate the unwarranted use of prescription meds unless there is a clear indication that they will help. In my case using Dostinex was 'shooting in the dark' (as I wasn't above range on prolactin, though not exactly low, either), and I just happened to hit my mark. Others might not be so lucky if they tried what I did, so I urge everyone to be cautious when considering taking such medications!

[Sargovar]

I should also add that I actually haven't noticed much of an improvement in libido on the Dostinex.. just heightened sexual functioning. When the train starts rolling things run a lot smoother now, so to speak. By contrast I used to feel like I was operating a good, solid train on rusty, broken tracks, getting frustrated and hitting the breaks halfway to the next station because I felt I wasn't getting anywhere.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by Sargovar

Just an update.. I've been taking Dostinex for a short while now. With only two 0.25 mg servings in my system so far, I already notice improvements (I'm taking one quarter of a pill twice a week as instructed, though I did not get these via prescription). I've never really had problems getting it up, so I can't comment on whether or not that has changed. However, it has shortened my refractory period at least somewhat. For a long time I felt like it had gotten so bad that I could barely have an orgasm once every four days or so.. and even then it would require a lot of effort and not really feel good when I finally did "accomplish" the deed. But now I can go once a day and it feels like I'm getting close and personal with god himself when I cum.. (scuse the graphic details gents, and ma'am phxskye ). The pleasure of it is definitely heightened.. it is almost a transcendental experience, a shockwave that runs through my body.. heh, I burst into spontaneous laughter the other day afterwards out of sheer joy. Must be the dopamine!

I've only ever measured my prolactin once, and it came back at 200 mU/I on a range of 50 - 300, but apparently lowering it makes a positive difference in my case. The increase in dopamine certainly hasn't hurt, either.. I've felt better overall ever since I started taking this stuff - more energetic, mentally focused and content. I even get these good, happy feelings that I haven't experienced in a long while. Hell, music sounds more inspiring and colors seem more vivid, as do other aesthetic stimuli. However, my fatigue and other problems still persist (low test and such), so this is only a temporary fix, nothing I will continue indefinitely. Besides, driving prolactin too low isn't good for you, either, as Dr. John once said.. though I forget the mechanisms involved.

Anyways, so far so good.. in spite of everything. And the best part is I've gotten absolutely zero side-effects from it.. no nausea, no tiredness, no drop in blood pressure (which I measured before I popped the first 0.25 mg, and it came back at 117/58.. a second measurement at the end of the week after having taken two quarters total came back at 119/60).

As a disclaimer, I must state that I am not a licensed physician, nor do I advocate the unwarranted use of prescription meds unless there is a clear indication that they will help. In my case using Dostinex was 'shooting in the dark' (as I wasn't above range on prolactin, though not exactly low, either), and I just happened to hit my mark. Others might not be so lucky if they tried what I did, so I urge everyone to be cautious when considering taking such medications!

Aside from the steady prolactin level running in the background it is released as a pulse during orgasm.
Prolactin and dopamine are agonists of each other.
There is lots of info about prolactin out there.
The intensity of orgasm appears to vary directly with dopamine level. Could the intensity be determined by the rate of change of dopamine and prolactin ? Maybe.
Orgasm wipes me out too. It definitely inhibits T production. When I was doing T on a weekly or bi weekly schedule my refractory period was substantially less than now that I have stoped T injections.
Cabergoline definitely helped me. But it is too damn expensive. If you have a good source please PM me.
I do that laughing thing often. God too. Damn shame it doesnt last longer. Check out Tantric Buddism. They rarely orgasmed and had the whole thing down to an art and a religion.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by zkt

Aside from the steady prolactin level running in the background it is released as a pulse during orgasm.
Prolactin and dopamine are agonists of each other.
There is lots of info about prolactin out there.
The intensity of orgasm appears to vary directly with dopamine level. Could the intensity be determined by the rate of change of dopamine and prolactin ? Maybe.
Orgasm wipes me out too. It definitely inhibits T production. When I was doing T on a weekly or bi weekly schedule my refractory period was substantially less than now that I have stoped T injections.
Cabergoline definitely helped me. But it is too damn expensive. If you have a good source please PM me.
I do that laughing thing often. God too. Damn shame it doesnt last longer. Check out Tantric Buddism. They rarely orgasmed and had the whole thing down to an art and a religion.

Could you be talking about Tantrism? Big difference from Tantric Buddhism - which concerns itself with acheiving enlightenment by cultivating mystical states.

[knockoutartist]

Considering the fact that someone is already healthy with no serious problems. One shoud try tribulus, longjack, yohimbe, and ginseng. Many supps. carry all these in one capsule. This can work wonders. Tribulus alone can raise your Leutenizing hormone up a 2-3 points if not more. By far the best tribulus product on the market is Vitrix. It is pricey but great!

-If one is faced with a more serious problem. My personal opininon, is to follow Dr. Scallys protocol. This running hcg, clomid, and nolva 1-2 months. The hcg is actually taken at 2000-2500 iu every 3rd day for 6-8 injections which sounds high, but it is the right dosage. Once again this is only for someone who is more or less shut down from asih. (anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism).

[Valderama]

Note

When your low on testosterone, tribulus can give you gyno easily.

Tribulus Terrestris

Tribulus terrestris is a prostrate, matforming plant. Although it has been used by the Chinese for thousands of years, little was scientifically known about it until recently. Tribulus is said to increase testosterone levels by as much as 30%, especially when taken in conjunction with sopharma. The primary mechanism of action to explain this phenomenon is that tribulus stimulates the secretion of lutenizing hormone (LH) from the anterior pituitary gland. This in turn stimulates testosterone production, as well as growth hormone and estradiol. Therefore, tribulus can easily stimulate gynecomastia (gyno) and insulin resistance. This is very negative for bodybuilders. In women, tribulus stimulates follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and estradiol, but not testosterone. 750-1200 mg/day dosages are not uncommon and is usually stacked with 100 mg/day of DHEA (discussed later) and 100 mg/day of androstenedione. Although the rise in testosterone levels may sound attractive to many athletes, the side effects are much more dire than gynecomastia and insulin resistance. Tribulus Terrestris has been shown to dilate the coronary arteries (Wang, 1990) and has a diuretic effect (Arcasoy, 1998). In both cases, this can put the athlete in a dangerous state. Bourke (1995) found that severe nervous and muscular locomotor disorders are directly associated with tribulus terrestris ingestion. The production of bile stones is also greatly enhanced (Miles, 1994) due to hyperplasia of the bile ducts and diffuse swelling of hepatocytes (Tapia, 1994).
Gauthaman et al. (2005) suggests that tribulus stimulates androgen production, an effect similar to that of prohormones and prosteroids. For more on prohormones, read The Truth About Prohormones. As noted above, tribulus increases the risk of developing gynecomastia. Jameel et al. (2004) confirms this by stating that the increased incidence of gynecomastia in young male athletes is a direct result of the increased use of steroids and tribulus terrestris. Other evidence suggests that the heavy diuretic effect of tribulus can cause kidney damage.

Tribulus also contains a compound called saponin, which is a class of glucosides. Saponin derived from tribulus has been shown by Li et al. (2002) to elicit a hypoglycemic effect. Serum glucose is significantly lowered with tribulus supplementation, which has negative effects on insulin sensitivity and central nervous system function (the CNS runs solely on blood glucose). A result of prolonged tribulus supplementation may be diabetes. Further investigations by the same researchers found that tribulus lowers plasma HDL (“good” cholesterol) levels and severely restricts gluconeogenesis activity in the liver. Antonio et al. (2000) assessed the effect of tribulus supplementation (in high doses) on trained male athletes. Over the course of the investigation, there were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Slight increases in muscle strength were found in the tribulus group compared to the placebo, but the results were not significant. Antonio and his associates concluded: “Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.”

Based on the available evidence, tribulus terrestris is an extremely dangerous supplement and cannot be used in a safe manner. Its supplementation should be avoided by all athletes at all times.


Dont know what was in my USP tt 700 tribulus bottle but it gave me gyno, maybe due to low test maybe not.

[Sargovar]

A further update on the dostinex: it has brought down my refractory period even more. I have my girlfriend visiting from the States at the moment, and I've been able to go at it 3 times in one night with her. Flawless, rock hard erections every time, too. This stuff has truly been worth its weight in gold! Heh, and it makes me feel almost giggly after sex, which can't be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by zkt

Aside from the steady prolactin level running in the background it is released as a pulse during orgasm.
Prolactin and dopamine are agonists of each other.
There is lots of info about prolactin out there.
The intensity of orgasm appears to vary directly with dopamine level. Could the intensity be determined by the rate of change of dopamine and prolactin ? Maybe.
Orgasm wipes me out too. It definitely inhibits T production. When I was doing T on a weekly or bi weekly schedule my refractory period was substantially less than now that I have stoped T injections.
Cabergoline definitely helped me. But it is too damn expensive. If you have a good source please PM me.
I do that laughing thing often. God too. Damn shame it doesnt last longer. Check out Tantric Buddism. They rarely orgasmed and had the whole thing down to an art and a religion.

[pmgamer18]

I am glad I found someone that tried this I am looking into getting some just did labs and see my Dr. next week will be asking him for Dostinex. I under stand you only need to take .25mgs one or two times a week.

I have a hard time reaching an orgasm most of the time my wife gets sore at it to long. I do feel this will help and it will help with ones memory.
Cabergoline (Dostinex)
from this search.
dostinex cabergoline orgasm - Google Search

Originally Posted by Sargovar

A further update on the dostinex: it has brought down my refractory period even more. I have my girlfriend visiting from the States at the moment, and I've been able to go at it 3 times in one night with her. Flawless, rock hard erections every time, too. This stuff has truly been worth its weight in gold! Heh, and it makes me feel almost giggly after sex, which can't be a bad thing.

[Sargovar]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I am glad I found someone that tried this I am looking into getting some just did labs and see my Dr. next week will be asking him for Dostinex. I under stand you only need to take .25mgs one or two times a week.

I have a hard time reaching an orgasm most of the time my wife gets sore at it to long. I do feel this will help and it will help with ones memory.
Cabergoline (Dostinex)
from this search.
dostinex cabergoline orgasm - Google Search

That might be a good idea, Phil. Even if your prolactin isn't above range (mine wasn't), it can still help tremendously when taken in conservative doses. 0.25 mg twice a week seems to work for me, and at that dose I don't experience any side-effects. However, I don't plan on continuing on with this indefinitely.. I'm just going to run this 2 month cycle and see how I feel then. If anorgasmia and other sexual problems start to creep up on me again in the future, or if I feel my refractory time getting too long, I will look back to Dostinex.

I don't think I've ever been capable of 3 orgasms over the course of 1 night in the past (not even as a teenager), with solid boners and good sensation, too. And I could swear this stuff has made by boners bigger and my nuts much fuller. I am still kind of undecided as to whether it has actually made me want sex more; but even if that isn't the case, it has certainly made sex a whole lot easier and more pleasurable when I'm having it.

I may have mentioned it before in this thread, but I plan on running some blood tests at the end of this cycle, prolactin, total T, LH and such, and see where I stand.

I could definitely be happy with this level of sexual functioning, even though I still haven't gotten those strong sexual urges or that butterflies in the stomach feeling when a hot girl passes you by on the street. But it's definitely more than adequate! And the boost in energy and mental clarity is a nice bonus, too. Now if I could just get my T up and my Es perfectly balanced, I might be all set, hormone wise. I think I might not necessarily even need adrenal support.