No sperm

[DaVinci2]

I get 125mg of t shots once a week. I've been getting them for about 4 months. Worried about fertility I had my sperm checked. I didn't ejaculate for 2 days. This morning I had a lot less volume than I expected, but I didn't think much of it. The doctor put it under the microscope and said "You have no sperm. This is probably NOT because of TRT. TRT may lower it in 4 months but not put it to nothing." He suggested I go of the T for 3 weeks come back do a blood test and a sperm count again. What do you guys think? Might I have had a problem before hand or is there something I'm doing wrong?

One more question...how long after stopping t shots do levels go to normal? I was looking forward to my shot today, but obviously didn't get it.

[DaVinci2]

I'd also like to add (After checking a few sites) that being a newlywed I've had sex almost everyday, sometimes twice...I'm hoping this might be the reason.

[HeadDoc]

what was the sperm count before TRT? Has the TRT been within physiologic range?

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

what was the sperm count before TRT? Has the TRT been within physiologic range?

I didn't have one done. What do you mean by physiologic range?

[TylerR]

DaVinci2,

Do you know your FSH levels?

I remember Marianco said it was important for sperm health to have proper DHT, T and estrogen levels.

Also were you hCG while using TRT?

[DaVinci2]

I wasn't using HCG because it's not part of the protocol in Japan. The doctor said I had a choice between test and hcg. I'm not sure what my FSH levels are, I think my estrogen is high and obviously low testosterone. The doctor said the hospitals in Japan don't check DHT so I couldn't get that tested.

I plan on self-administering HCG once I figure out my 'needle' problem. I'm off the testosterone for about a month to see what happens.

[DaVinci2]

Would HCG help in the production of sperm in any way? The doctor has suggested I go on 3000iu a week. I know that's a too high, but I can do it myself at a lower dosage

[Ruper]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

Would HCG help in the production of sperm in any way? The doctor has suggested I go on 3000iu a week. I know that's a too high, but I can do it myself at a lower dosage

Not sure, but I can tell you that when I started TRT my volume increase dramatically. In addition after 8 weeks TRT including 6 weeks HCG, I was certainly fertile, although I did not have a sperm count done and I guess it only takes 1 to do the job.

Statistically, though chances are my sperm count was high, and my guess is higher than pre-TRT. Other semen 'qualities' also reminded me more of my 20's., suggesting things were more 'normal'. This seems to happed within a few shots of starting HCG.

Also I was hardly 'newlywed' - just beggining to get some semblance of libido back - very easy to pinpoint the exact day of conception.

And FSH levels were below threshold - I assume the HCG, acting as an FSH analog was keeping, or increasing sperm production.

[farmerjohn]

HCG does act as FSH to some extent so it should definitely help sperm count. HCM (not sure of the name) is more expensive and is supposed to increase sperm count even more if youre trying for a baby and HCG is not enough.

Dont do all 3000 iu in one day. The max is 500 iu in any day to avoid desensitization.

[O40]

Do a Pub Med search for Pergonal or HMG. This may address your sperm count, there are a ton of studies where hypogondal men were able to impregnate their partners, many with HCG alone or HCG/HMG together. Good luck.

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by Ruper

Not sure, but I can tell you that when I started TRT my volume increase dramatically. In addition after 8 weeks TRT including 6 weeks HCG, I was certainly fertile, although I did not have a sperm count done and I guess it only takes 1 to do the job.

Statistically, though chances are my sperm count was high, and my guess is higher than pre-TRT. Other semen 'qualities' also reminded me more of my 20's., suggesting things were more 'normal'. This seems to happed within a few shots of starting HCG.

Also I was hardly 'newlywed' - just beggining to get some semblance of libido back - very easy to pinpoint the exact day of conception.

And FSH levels were below threshold - I assume the HCG, acting as an FSH analog was keeping, or increasing sperm production.

The volume of my ejaculation is not a problem. You can have some serious volume, and you could be getting it up 3 times a day, doesn't mean there's any sperm in it. I thought I was fine too. Then I got a sperm count done. It wasn't LOW, it was ZERO...

I'll give HCG and the other advice a shot if it comes to that.

[Ruper]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

The volume of my ejaculation is not a problem. You can have some serious volume, and you could be getting it up 3 times a day, doesn't mean there's any sperm in it. I thought I was fine too. Then I got a sperm count done. It wasn't LOW, it was ZERO...

I'll give HCG and the other advice a shot if it comes to that.

I hear you. I guess what I would suggest is trying HCG/HMG, but I don't see any reason to come off TRT. If your count is still zero, comming off TRT is not going to help. You indicated that this was probably not due to TRT to start with.

I guess I got a bit 'keyboard happy'. What caould cause a ZERO sperm count anyway? I could imagin HCG increasing sperm count, but I wonder (as I guess you are) if it could really take you from zero to something reasonable.

[DaVinci2]

I'm assuming that I had zero to start with. The doctor isn't sure. They don't really have fertility issues in Japan, and if they do it's not often spoken about unfortunately. My doc thinks that the TRT could be PART of the reason so we're just taking a look. I'll start with the HCG once I get some to see if there's a difference.