Occaisional T use?

[Yowzer]

As I mentioned in my prior post, I believe my unsupplemented T levels to be around 400-too low for morning erections or good erectile function without a touch of Viagra. Being marginal in terms of need for T, if I choose to not go on T full time, does anyone have an opinion how it would work to use T cream occasionally-maybe a couple times a week to improve sexual desire and function. Some say it takes awhile to have effect but I had morning erection first morning on T. It is supposedly also gone from your system in a matter of hours, so I don't see it being necessary to do every day. Unless, such occasional use will shut down the hypothalamus or testes, what's wrong with this approach? It avoids needing arimidex and HCG.

[zkt]

I think its a damn good idea and if I could get my hands on some T powder I would do it too

[pmgamer18]

Doing this will lower your T levels over time if your low to start just go on TRT full time get your Total and Free T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And keep your Estradiol "E2" down between 10 to 30 pg/ml and your sex life should be great.

[Yowzer]

My thinking is that because I am only marginally low, I may want to avoid full time T supplementation to avoid shutting down the hypothalamus and testes, and the need for arimidex , clomid and HCG. Not to mention the higher hair loss I would presumably have with full time higher T levels. But I would hopefully get at least the sexual benefits of higher T several times a week. The assumption, which may or may not be correct, would be that one day of T would be gone and the body's regulatory mechanism would be back to functioning like before by the next day. Has anyone tried this or now why it might not be the case?

[HeadDoc]

Originally Posted by Yowzer

My thinking is that because I am only marginally low, I may want to avoid full time T supplementation to avoid shutting down the hypothalamus and testes, and the need for arimidex , clomid and HCG. Not to mention the higher hair loss I would presumably have with full time higher T levels. But I would hopefully get at least the sexual benefits of higher T several times a week. The assumption, which may or may not be correct, would be that one day of T would be gone and the body's regulatory mechanism would be back to functioning like before by the next day. Has anyone tried this or now why it might not be the case?

It's your assumption about one day on and then the entire axis recovering that is wrong. With effective TRT you are treating the axis not just the testosterone level. That's why all the auxillaries are needed.

[zkt]

My wife takes a short half life oral T daily and it works well. She has never tried just a single dose as a libido booster. Probable wouldnt work out as it has E2 in it as well.They want tp keep that at a constant level. Now, there is a thread is the womens section regarding this sort of thing.
"My girlfriend is on HRT. She does an E2 gel and Testim. We have the same endo who had her try a small amount of Testim 1% from the 50g tube. She applies a small amount to her fingertip and applies that. no lab work has been done yet, but she said that she feels hornier and more lively when she takes and can definately tell when she has forgotten it for a few days. "
I think occasional use by a male might well give a short term libido boost, but it would also depress LH and FSH wich would depress endogenous T production. So when you came and got the prolactin burst your T level might really tank for a short while. All and all it might not be worth it. Actually this is what I was planing on doing when I first got into this stuff but went full time instead. There are a number of short half life oral forms of T available, but I have no idea where to get them outside of a RX. T Undeconate comes to mind. I hope you give it a try and let us know how it goes.

[kataking]

Many endurance athletes use a fast clearing form of Test(cream, patch, oral or suspension) occasionally to aid recovery from a hard effort, like a race. They seem to do so without much suppression of their HPTA. But these are guys who have a normal T level anyway and probably a healthy HPTA. Also, for the most part they wouldnt be using more than 1 time per week and many less than that. You mentioned you would be using a couple of times per week. I think you would more than likely shut your self down by using that frequently.

[Yowzer]

Does anyone actually know whether occaisional use of T creak which is out of the system in less than a day will shut down the HPTA regulation? For sure, one way to shut it down is full time T.

[zkt]

Its my understanding that a normal healthy pituitary dynamically monitors serum androgen levels and oxytocin levels and secretes LH and FSH accordingly. It doesnt know or care whether the androgens are endogenous or exogenous. A spike in T levels isnt going to shut down the entire process. As I said before I think you wil experience a low T level for a while afterwards.Jut how often you could do it is a matter to be determined experimentally. Maybe you should inquire of the Muscle men. Dome of them do a lot of T. Maybe someone has already tried what you prop[ose. I really dont think you are going to do any permanebt damage with one dose.

[Sunkist]

This is really an interesting subject to me. How does one train the axis to like a higher level of Testosterone or actually the relative androgens, but obviously we want male? If one drops to a natural say 400 TT at 45, can you train the system to produce more naturally, and maintain say 1000 with as much as possible coming from the testes... and even if not, as much of the natural axis present as possible for symbiotic regulation? Just a theory of mine.

I personally do not use the transdermals every day. But I use them 3/4 of the time, and I don't drop all of them on one specific day. If I don't use andro transdermal in the am, I will use the T creme after supper. I have no proof this works, but I do feel that the axis interrelates with a lot of other things... so as natural as I can go for me the better.