for once and for all how much can one hope to get out of androgel

[masterpp]

we have had a lot of guys, myself included getting massive results of seeminly small amounts of t gel. most people say this is down to gel residue getting into the needle. but some guys say otherwise.

so for closure, officially what are the highest levels ( in ideal conditions) one could hope to get off 1 and then 2 pqcks of androgel, if absortion is great ect/

[pmgamer18]

Here read this in it is a chart showing how the T is high for the first 4 hrs after you put the gel on after you have been on for 30 days of more. Then it is stable for the next 20 hrs.
http://www.androgel.com/images/ProfessionalInfo.pdf

[farmerjohn]

I was on 10 g (2 packs) per day for 4 years and was normally between 500 and 600 total T. Once I measured 800. I think in general though every person absorbs differently so you are not going to get any definitive answer that applies to everyone.

[deadlifter405]

I was only at 220 ng/ml on 10 grams/daily of Androgel. Didn't work at all for me!

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Here read this in it is a chart showing how the T is high for the first 4 hrs after you put the gel on after you have been on for 30 days of more. Then it is stable for the next 20 hrs.
http://www.androgel.com/images/ProfessionalInfo.pdf

It would appear from this chart that concentrations peak at the two-hour mark, decline slightly and gradually until 4 hours after application, then more or less plateau for the remaining 24 hours. Am I right?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by greyowl

It would appear from this chart that concentrations peak at the two-hour mark, decline slightly and gradually until 4 hours after application, then more or less plateau for the remaining 24 hours. Am I right?

Yes it looks that way so this is why one sould not put it on and then do a blood test right away.

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Yes it looks that way so this is why one sould not put it on and then do a blood test right away.

So it would seem to me that if you want to get the most out of a one-hour workout while taking gel, you should apply it about 90 minutes before you train. But would sweating during the work-out and showering afterward diminish absorption?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by greyowl

So it would seem to me that if you want to get the most out of a one-hour workout while taking gel, you should apply it about 90 minutes before you train. But would sweating during the work-out and showering afterward diminish absorption?

Yes it would not be keeping your levels up it says you can shower or swim after I think 4 hrs.

[ANTB]

It seems that men who are more lean have a better chance with gels.
Androgel did not work for me until I started taking Arimidex.
Just an observation.

[masterpp]

i kinda meant more specifically whether there is chemically enough t molecules in the gels to get a persons levels up to the kinds some guys have experienced.

[farmerjohn]

The T is there in the gel. The insert tells you exactly how many mg of T there is in each g of gel. The trick is getting it absorbed into your system. Some do better than others in absorbtion and how much gets converted to estradiol.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

The T is there in the gel. The insert tells you exactly how many mg of T there is in each g of gel. The trick is getting it absorbed into your system. Some do better than others in absorbtion and how much gets converted to estradiol.

I feel there is a lot that gets converted because you need to spread it over such a large area. Doing T shots every 3 days my E2 is a lot less then the 10 grams of gel I was doing.

[Sunkist]

The stable state blood levels of T are quite impressive in Phil's read. There is not much variability between the highs and lows over the 24 hours. They are even less than my Ganong has for normal secretion. Very interesting and a very positive message for transdermal delivery.

There seems to be a 100mg goal for trans cutanueous delivery. The result is to get 10mg into circulation which I believe is normal daily secretion.

I still don't believe there is a problem preventing aromitization if one wants to... even without an Rx. There are a lot of naturals that work pretty well.