Overhydration=reduction in test?

[goldlifter]

This is something i've been pondering for quite some time.......i've been off for a year after following the necessary protocols for PCT and periodically incorporating low dose clo/nolva therapy but i still am exhibiting the signs of low test levels. I have changed my diet to see if that provided a boost but it has not helped much. The only thing i was wondering is if drinking 3gals of noncaffeinated liquid(water,decaf coffee,crystal light) is diluting my circulating test levels? i've searched pubmed/medline for an answer but cannot find if overhydration could cause this....any help would be greatly appreciated

Ht:6'
Wt:210
bf% 6

[pmgamer18]

I have this problem but I am Hypopituitary and my body does not get the messages to make hormones. I had my Aldosterone levels checked and they were low making my kidneys dump my sodium. Try puting a tsp of good natral Sea Salt into a glass of water first thing in the morning before eating. If his helps and you feel better get this tested.
Real Thyroid Help Forums :: View topic - My explanation of low aldosterone in hypopituitarism

[goldlifter]

wow, thanks for the heads up....after reading that article, i think i may have been compounding the problem by only using 50/50 salt/potassium chloride on my food(in copious amounts,lol). i'll give it a shot and see how it goes, thank you

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by goldlifter

wow, thanks for the heads up....after reading that article, i think i may have been compounding the problem by only using 50/50 salt/potassium chloride on my food(in copious amounts,lol). i'll give it a shot and see how it goes, thank you

If you body is dumping sodium it will make your potassium go up and taking more will make you feel dam bad read this link. Then info about this is near the end but the whole thing is a good read.
Adrenal Glands

[magic8989]

Well, if your bodyfat is truly 6%, that has something to do without. Maintaining that level of leaness year round can put the body in a starvation mode where reproduction is not the most important thing. Individuals results to vary though.

[goldlifter]

Originally Posted by magic8989

Well, if your bodyfat is truly 6%, that has something to do without. Maintaining that level of leaness year round can put the body in a starvation mode where reproduction is not the most important thing. Individuals results to vary though.

yeah, that always sits in the back of my mind....and it is likely inhibiting a faster recovery. The problem therein lies
1. it is part of my job to stay that lean(paid fitness model)
2. lol, my self esteem is a TON higher when i'm cut

i might hafta stop and recheck my priorities or take a year off from shoots

[pmgamer18]

Try 3 g's of good FISH OIL a day.

Originally Posted by goldlifter

yeah, that always sits in the back of my mind....and it is likely inhibiting a faster recovery. The problem therein lies
1. it is part of my job to stay that lean(paid fitness model)
2. lol, my self esteem is a TON higher when i'm cut

i might hafta stop and recheck my priorities or take a year off from shoots

[goldlifter]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Try 3 g's of good FISH OIL a day.

currently taking 8g a day of these:
NSI Mega EFA Omega-3 EPA & DHA -- 240 Softgels - Vitacost

[pmgamer18]

What turned me off on it is the word SOY this is not good for any man. I don't touch anything with SOY in it. This crap give the body a E's marker that does nothing but make the body think Testosterone levels are high because the brain can't tell the diff. between this and Testosterone and so stops sending the LH and FSH messages to the testis. One guy I talked with low testosterone was telling me how good his diet was and that he drank a lot of SOY milk I told him this can be why his T levels are low he stoped the soy and his T levels come back up.

Originally Posted by goldlifter

currently taking 8g a day of these:
NSI Mega EFA Omega-3 EPA & DHA -- 240 Softgels - Vitacost

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

What turned me off on it is the word SOY this is not good for any man. I don't touch anything with SOY in it. This crap give the body a E's marker that does nothing but make the body think Testosterone levels are high because the brain can't tell the diff. between this and Testosterone and so stops sending the LH and FSH messages to the testis. One guy I talked with low testosterone was telling me how good his diet was and that he drank a lot of SOY milk I told him this can be why his T levels are low he stoped the soy and his T levels come back up.

You are probably right about soy.
But it is in other ingredients and probably small amounts.
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I would not knocked down anything soy.
There are soy isoflavones that are beneficial.

On estrogen metabolism slides from presentation on Estrogen metabolism I bought
I found this slide:

Modification of 2:16 OHE1 Ratio

2 OH-estrone (protective) increased by:

• flaxseed
• omega-3 fatty acids
• soy isoflavones
• indole 3-carbinol (I3C)
• diindolylmethane (DIM)
• rosemary, turmeric, kudzu
• strenuous exercise
• weight loss

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Latter on he was more specific on flaxseed

it is (flaxseed isoflavones)

not a flaxseed
not flax seed oil
not flax seed oil with isoflavones
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Also latter on DIM was not really mentioned
I3C was detailed and dose 400mg/day was optimal
dose up to 800mg/day was investigated.

[pmgamer18]

Soy isoflavones are only good for women.

Originally Posted by JanSz

You are probably right about soy.
But it is in other ingredients and probably small amounts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would not knocked down anything soy.
There are soy isoflavones that are beneficial.

On estrogen metabolism slides from presentation on Estrogen metabolism I bought
I found this slide:

Modification of 2:16 OHE1 Ratio

2 OH-estrone (protective) increased by:

• flaxseed
• omega-3 fatty acids
• soy isoflavones
• indole 3-carbinol (I3C)
• diindolylmethane (DIM)
• rosemary, turmeric, kudzu
• strenuous exercise
• weight loss

---------------------------------------------------------------
Latter on he was more specific on flaxseed

it is (flaxseed isoflavones)

not a flaxseed
not flax seed oil
not flax seed oil with isoflavones
--------
Also latter on DIM was not really mentioned
I3C was detailed and dose 400mg/day was optimal
dose up to 800mg/day was investigated.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Soy isoflavones are only good for women.

Men and women have
2:16 OHE1 Ratio

Do you happen to have link to some specific research on this topic?

While listening to presentation (give in 2006)
I do not recollect him differentiating between men and women in this respect.
I have heard many times that soy milk is not advisable for men.
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A4M :: Conference Library

GS02m - Estrogen Metabolism: Modifying Risk in Clinical Practice
Conference: A4M Orlando 2006
Speaker: Patrick Hanaway MD
Length: 31m 07s - 66 Slides
April 9, 2006 5:00 pm - 5:40 pm
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[magic8989]

Originally Posted by goldlifter

Re: Overhydration=reduction in test?
Quote:
Originally Posted by magic8989 View Post
Well, if your bodyfat is truly 6%, that has something to do without. Maintaining that level of leaness year round can put the body in a starvation mode where reproduction is not the most important thing. Individuals results to vary though.

yeah, that always sits in the back of my mind....and it is likely inhibiting a faster recovery. The problem therein lies
1. it is part of my job to stay that lean(paid fitness model)
2. lol, my self esteem is a TON higher when i'm cut

i might hafta stop and recheck my priorities or take a year off from shoots

I guess you will have to make a choice then as you have a double edge sword it seems. Maybe you could get my with experimenting by allowing your bodyfat to increase slightly. How is your diet overall? Are you hypo or hypercaloric. If you are hypocaloric you could insert refeeds or high kcals days to help.