Please provide feedback on my tests

[vradi]

Please provide me with some feedback for my test results below. I am particularly worry about the low Test 440; I think it should be higher since I am only 35 years old, but I generally feel tired and I suffer from low libido. Unfortunately my test results do not include E2 values, but they do include Estrone, and it seems very high. Some of the info I read on the web, suggests that high Estrone levels usually also mean high Estradiol.

Three years ago I used low dose propecia 0.25 mg per day for about a year, but I stopped because even in that low dose I got some sides mainly nut-ache and low libido; now two years later I am wondering if there was any permanent damage done. I have never had my hormone levels tested before propecia so I can not know for sure. Also at the same time I was using propecia, I also used prozac which is also known to affect libido so maybe there was some synergistic reaction there.

Since I got my results last week I started taking a tribulus supplement to raise my testosterone and another supplement called 6-oxo that supposedly is a natural estrogen blocker. I hope with a good diet, exercise and sleep I would see some results. I am planning to retest my levels next month and this time I would make sure I also test for E2.

My knowledge in this area is quite limited so I would appreciate any feedback and suggestions you could provide.

Some additional info about me: I am kind of overweight, 185 lbs and 5 feet 9 inches tall, with about 22% body fat. I used to be about 220 pounds in my twenties but in the last 5 years I started exercising more and eating more carefully. I know I still need to lose about 20-30 more pounds, I just wished I did not feel so tired sometimes.

Thanks in advance,
Vradi.


Glucose, Serum 97 65-99 mg/dL
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.8 0.0-5.0 ratio units
BUN 18 5-26 mg/dL
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac 0.65 0.00-3.00 mg/L
Creatinine, Serum 1.1 0.5-1.5 mg/dL
TSH 1.536 0.350-5.500 uIU/mL
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.3 2.3-4.2 pg/mL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 16 8-27
Sodium, Serum 141 135-148 mmol/L
T4,Free(Direct) 1.36 0.61-1.76 ng/dL
Potassium, Serum 4.4 3.5-5.5 mmol/L
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum 0.8 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Chloride, Serum 102 96-109 mmol/L
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 228 115-307 ng/mL
Carbon Dioxide, Total 26 20-32 mmol/L
Testosterone, Serum 440 241-827 ng/dL
Calcium, Serum 9.9 8.5-10.6 mg/dL
Testosterone,Free 14.08 5.00-21.00 ng/dL
Protein, Total, Serum 8 6.0-8.5 g/dL
% Free Testosterone 3.2 1.50-4.20 %
Albumin, Serum 4.8 3.5-5.5 g/dL
DHEA-Sulfate 346 120-520 ug/dL
Estrone, Serum 60 12-72 pg/mL
Globulin, Total 3.2 1.5-4.5 g/dL
WBC 5.4 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1-2.5
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.1-1.2 mg/dL
RBC 5.14 4.10-5.60 x10E6/uL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 47 25-150 IU/L
Hemoglobin 14.6 12.5-17.0 g/dL
AST (SGOT) 23 0-40 IU/L
Hematocrit 43.3 36.0-50.0 %
ALT (SGPT) 28 0-55 IU/L
MCV 84 80-98 fL
Cholesterol, Total 222 100-199 mg/dL
MCH 28.4 27.0-34.0 pg
Triglycerides 66 0-149 mg/dL
MCHC 33.7 32.0-36.0 g/dL
HDL Cholesterol 59 40-59 mg/dL
RDW 13.3 11.7-15.0 %
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13 5-40 mg/dL
Platelets 200 140-415 x10E3/uL
LDL Cholesterol Calc 150 0-99 mg/dL
Neutrophils 59 40-74 %
Lymphs 31 14-46 %
Monocytes 6 4-13 %
Eos 3 0-7 %
Basos 1 0-3 %
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.2 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.7 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL

Homocyst(e)ine, Plasma
Homocyst(e)ine, P 7.2 5.0-12.0 umol/L

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by vradi

Please provide me with some feedback for my test results below. I am particularly worry about the low Test 440; I think it should be higher since I am only 35 years old, but I generally feel tired and I suffer from low libido. Unfortunately my test results do not include E2 values, but they do include Estrone, and it seems very high. Some of the info I read on the web, suggests that high Estrone levels usually also mean high Estradiol.

Three years ago I used low dose propecia 0.25 mg per day for about a year, but I stopped because even in that low dose I got some sides mainly nut-ache and low libido; now two years later I am wondering if there was any permanent damage done. I have never had my hormone levels tested before propecia so I can not know for sure. Also at the same time I was using propecia, I also used prozac which is also known to affect libido so maybe there was some synergistic reaction there.

Since I got my results last week I started taking a tribulus supplement to raise my testosterone and another supplement called 6-oxo that supposedly is a natural estrogen blocker. I hope with a good diet, exercise and sleep I would see some results. I am planning to retest my levels next month and this time I would make sure I also test for E2.

My knowledge in this area is quite limited so I would appreciate any feedback and suggestions you could provide.

Some additional info about me: I am kind of overweight, 185 lbs and 5 feet 9 inches tall, with about 22% body fat. I used to be about 220 pounds in my twenties but in the last 5 years I started exercising more and eating more carefully. I know I still need to lose about 20-30 more pounds, I just wished I did not feel so tired sometimes.

Thanks in advance,
Vradi.


Glucose, Serum 97 65-99 mg/dL
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.8 0.0-5.0 ratio units
BUN 18 5-26 mg/dL
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac 0.65 0.00-3.00 mg/L
Creatinine, Serum 1.1 0.5-1.5 mg/dL
TSH 1.536 0.350-5.500 uIU/mL
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.3 2.3-4.2 pg/mL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 16 8-27
Sodium, Serum 141 135-148 mmol/L
T4,Free(Direct) 1.36 0.61-1.76 ng/dL
Potassium, Serum 4.4 3.5-5.5 mmol/L
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum 0.8 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Chloride, Serum 102 96-109 mmol/L
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 228 115-307 ng/mL
Carbon Dioxide, Total 26 20-32 mmol/L
Testosterone, Serum 440 241-827 ng/dL
Calcium, Serum 9.9 8.5-10.6 mg/dL
Testosterone,Free 14.08 5.00-21.00 ng/dL
Protein, Total, Serum 8 6.0-8.5 g/dL
% Free Testosterone 3.2 1.50-4.20 %
Albumin, Serum 4.8 3.5-5.5 g/dL
DHEA-Sulfate 346 120-520 ug/dL
Estrone, Serum 60 12-72 pg/mL
Globulin, Total 3.2 1.5-4.5 g/dL
WBC 5.4 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1-2.5
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.1-1.2 mg/dL
RBC 5.14 4.10-5.60 x10E6/uL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 47 25-150 IU/L
Hemoglobin 14.6 12.5-17.0 g/dL
AST (SGOT) 23 0-40 IU/L
Hematocrit 43.3 36.0-50.0 %
ALT (SGPT) 28 0-55 IU/L
MCV 84 80-98 fL
Cholesterol, Total 222 100-199 mg/dL
MCH 28.4 27.0-34.0 pg
Triglycerides 66 0-149 mg/dL
MCHC 33.7 32.0-36.0 g/dL
HDL Cholesterol 59 40-59 mg/dL
RDW 13.3 11.7-15.0 %
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13 5-40 mg/dL
Platelets 200 140-415 x10E3/uL
LDL Cholesterol Calc 150 0-99 mg/dL
Neutrophils 59 40-74 %
Lymphs 31 14-46 %
Monocytes 6 4-13 %
Eos 3 0-7 %
Basos 1 0-3 %
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.2 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.7 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL

Homocyst(e)ine, Plasma
Homocyst(e)ine, P 7.2 5.0-12.0 umol/L

Need to have ferritin and also b-12 , folate checked
hormones look really good Testoerone could be higher, but more so I think its looking at maybe looking at over weight causing your build up of estrogen and posible glucos/inuslin imbalance that might be revealed with glucose tolerance test. Trib also increases estrogen too which in your case may not be a good idea..

[vradi]

Hardasnails1973 thanks for the info. I also believe that my Estrogen is elevated mostly because I am still overweight. If I can not use Tribulus because it also increases Estrogen, what would you suggest I could do if I want to bring my Testosterone to around 600?
Should I just concentrate in reducing Estrogen and hope that my Testosterone would increase as a result of less Testosterone being converted to Estrogen? What would be the safest way to do that?

Thanks again,
Vradi.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by vradi

Hardasnails1973 thanks for the info. I also believe that my Estrogen is elevated mostly because I am still overweight. If I can not use Tribulus because it also increases Estrogen, what would you suggest I could do if I want to bring my Testosterone to around 600?
Should I just concentrate in reducing Estrogen and hope that my Testosterone would increase as a result of less Testosterone being converted to Estrogen? What would be the safest way to do that?

Thanks again,
Vradi.

Work on weight changes through dietary lifestyles and reducing stress. Get to sleep at 10 pm and get up when you have too. You may want to look at possible adrenal imblalaances as well that may be hidden. Estrogen and cortisol are very closely releated

[vradi]

After reading one of Marianco's posts in the Adrenal Thread regarding indications of adrenal fatigue it seems I have most of the conditions he describes.


Other clues to adrenal fatigue (without other illnesses such as diabetes or hypertension):
1. low normal blood pressure (for which a person would receive praise and told they will live long - with the primary care physician totally missing the presence of adrenal fatigue by not doing further investigation). - No
2. sugar cravings - Yes
3. salt cravings - Yes
4. fatigue or sleepiness in the late afternoon - Yes
5. insomnia - Yes
6. occasionally feeling lightheaded when changing position - No
7. feeling cold often; low body temperature - No
8. a tendency to tremble, particularly under pressure - No
9. feeling better after a meal (unless severe) - Yes (isn't this normal though?)
10. low libido - Yes
11. lack of energy - in the morning making it difficult to get out of bed. - Yes
12. wanting to sleep in late - Yes
13. feeling better when stress is reduced - such as by going on vacation - Yes (isn't this normal though?)
14. needing coffee or stimulants to function - Yes
15. frequent colds - No
16. PMS symptoms in women
17. depressed or anxious mood, irritability, difficulty handling strress - Yes
18. irritable bowel symptoms - Yes
19. asthma-like symptoms - No
20. difficulty in concentrating, impaired memory - Not Sure

I would do the saliva cortisol test to make sure though. Anybody knows where is the cheapest place to order them from?
One thing I am not sure though, is adrenal fatigue the result or the cause of low testosterone?


Thanks,
Vradi

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by vradi

Please provide me with some feedback for my test results below. I am particularly worry about the low Test 440; I think it should be higher since I am only 35 years old, but I generally feel tired and I suffer from low libido. Unfortunately my test results do not include E2 values, but they do include Estrone, and it seems very high. Some of the info I read on the web, suggests that high Estrone levels usually also mean high Estradiol.

Three years ago I used low dose propecia 0.25 mg per day for about a year, but I stopped because even in that low dose I got some sides mainly nut-ache and low libido; now two years later I am wondering if there was any permanent damage done. I have never had my hormone levels tested before propecia so I can not know for sure. Also at the same time I was using propecia, I also used prozac which is also known to affect libido so maybe there was some synergistic reaction there.

Since I got my results last week I started taking a tribulus supplement to raise my testosterone and another supplement called 6-oxo that supposedly is a natural estrogen blocker. I hope with a good diet, exercise and sleep I would see some results. I am planning to retest my levels next month and this time I would make sure I also test for E2.

My knowledge in this area is quite limited so I would appreciate any feedback and suggestions you could provide.

Some additional info about me: I am kind of overweight, 185 lbs and 5 feet 9 inches tall, with about 22% body fat. I used to be about 220 pounds in my twenties but in the last 5 years I started exercising more and eating more carefully. I know I still need to lose about 20-30 more pounds, I just wished I did not feel so tired sometimes.

Thanks in advance,
Vradi.


Glucose, Serum 97 65-99 mg/dL
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.8 0.0-5.0 ratio units
BUN 18 5-26 mg/dL
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac 0.65 0.00-3.00 mg/L
Creatinine, Serum 1.1 0.5-1.5 mg/dL
TSH 1.536 0.350-5.500 uIU/mL
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 3.3 2.3-4.2 pg/mL
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 16 8-27
Sodium, Serum 141 135-148 mmol/L
T4,Free(Direct) 1.36 0.61-1.76 ng/dL
Potassium, Serum 4.4 3.5-5.5 mmol/L
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum 0.8 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Chloride, Serum 102 96-109 mmol/L
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 228 115-307 ng/mL
Carbon Dioxide, Total 26 20-32 mmol/L
Testosterone, Serum 440 241-827 ng/dL
Calcium, Serum 9.9 8.5-10.6 mg/dL
Testosterone,Free 14.08 5.00-21.00 ng/dL
Protein, Total, Serum 8 6.0-8.5 g/dL
% Free Testosterone 3.2 1.50-4.20 %
Albumin, Serum 4.8 3.5-5.5 g/dL
DHEA-Sulfate 346 120-520 ug/dL
Estrone, Serum 60 12-72 pg/mL
Globulin, Total 3.2 1.5-4.5 g/dL
WBC 5.4 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1-2.5
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.1-1.2 mg/dL
RBC 5.14 4.10-5.60 x10E6/uL
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 47 25-150 IU/L
Hemoglobin 14.6 12.5-17.0 g/dL
AST (SGOT) 23 0-40 IU/L
Hematocrit 43.3 36.0-50.0 %
ALT (SGPT) 28 0-55 IU/L
MCV 84 80-98 fL
Cholesterol, Total 222 100-199 mg/dL
MCH 28.4 27.0-34.0 pg
Triglycerides 66 0-149 mg/dL
MCHC 33.7 32.0-36.0 g/dL
HDL Cholesterol 59 40-59 mg/dL
RDW 13.3 11.7-15.0 %
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 13 5-40 mg/dL
Platelets 200 140-415 x10E3/uL
LDL Cholesterol Calc 150 0-99 mg/dL
Neutrophils 59 40-74 %
Lymphs 31 14-46 %
Monocytes 6 4-13 %
Eos 3 0-7 %
Basos 1 0-3 %
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.2 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.7 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL

Homocyst(e)ine, Plasma
Homocyst(e)ine, P 7.2 5.0-12.0 umol/L

Get more tests:
Use Quest diagnostics. Make sure you draw blood at Quest and not somewhere else.
Do:
--------------------------
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Tot
SHBG
Albumin
DHEA sulfate
DHT
Prolactin
FSH
LH
Progesterone
Pregnenolone
Estradiol
Estradiol, Bioavailable
Estradiol, Free
Estradiol, Ultra-sensitive
Estrogens, Total, Serum
Estrone,serum
-----------------------------------------------------

[vradi]

I used LabCorp for the tests I just posted. Why do you only suggest Quest is there a big difference? The online service I used to order my tests seems that they only work with LabCorp.

hardasnails1973, why do you suggest ferritin, b-12, and folate tests? Do you suspect anemia?
I hope I do not have that; from the lists of symptoms I posted above it seems very likely that I may suffer from adrenal fatigue. I already ordered the cortisol tests from canary club. After I do the cortisol, I would also do the tests you suggest just to be sure.

Thanks,
Vradi

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by vradi

I used LabCorp for the tests I just posted. Why do you only suggest Quest is there a big difference? The online service I used to order my tests seems that they only work with LabCorp.
hardasnails1973, why do you suggest ferritin, b-12, and folate tests? Do you suspect anemia?
I hope I do not have that; from the lists of symptoms I posted above it seems very likely that I may suffer from adrenal fatigue. I already ordered the cortisol tests from canary club. After I do the cortisol, I would also do the tests you suggest just to be sure.

Thanks,
Vradi

Do not worry, use LabCorp if you must.
Just watch out their FreeTestosterone, do not do it, it is wrong test.
Explanations and further instructions are here:
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/533890-post45.html

[vradi]

Hi all,
I just got my saliva cortisol and DHEA tests results.

07:00 - 08:00 AM *** 9 Depressed *** 13-24 nM
11:00 - Noon ******* 4 Depressed *** 5-10 nM
04:00 - 05:00 PM *** 5 Normal ******* 3-8 nM
11:00 - Midnight **** 6 Elevated ***** 1-4 nM

Cortisol Burden: ****24 ************** 23 -42

DHEA Dehydroepiandrosterone
5 *** Normal Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml

and here are the Interpretations provided by the Lab:

Patient Result Interpretations
Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive of marginal HPA performance.
Normal rhythms exhibit highest cortisol value for the day at 7 - 8 AM.
Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.
Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of sensitivity to suppression at the pituitary-hypothalamic-axis.
This condition is usually associated with a tendency to endogenous depression, and REM sleep disruptions.
Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to help
optimize HPA responsiveness. Clin. Trial J. 26:33, 1989.

Also the saliva test package included some Hormone testing as well.
I am not sure if you can trust saliva tests but here are the results.
I am afraid Estradiol is way to high according to their ranges:

E2 Estradiol ************** 13 *** Male(20-49 yrs): 1-3 pg/ml Male(50-85 yrs): 1-5 pg/ml
P1 Progesterone ********* 76 *** Male ( adult ): 5-95 pg/ml
TTF Free Testosterone *** 30 *** Male (31-40 yrs): 50-80 pg/ml

STP Saliva Thyroid Study

fTSH Thyroid stimulating hormone 56 Normal Borderline Low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml Borderline High: 86-120 nIU/ml
fT4 L-Thyroxine 0.27 Normal Normal: 0.17-0.42 ng/dl
fT3 Triiodo-thyronine 0.34 Normal Borderline Low: 0.21-0.27 pg/ml Normal: 0.28-1.10 pg/ml
TPO Thyroid Microsomal Ab, SIgA Negative Normal: Negative

Please let me know what do you think about these numbers.

Thanks in advance,
Vradi

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by vradi

Hi all,
I just got my saliva cortisol and DHEA tests results.

07:00 - 08:00 AM *** 9 Depressed *** 13-24 nM
11:00 - Noon ******* 4 Depressed *** 5-10 nM
04:00 - 05:00 PM *** 5 Normal ******* 3-8 nM
11:00 - Midnight **** 6 Elevated ***** 1-4 nM

Cortisol Burden: ****24 ************** 23 -42

DHEA Dehydroepiandrosterone
5 *** Normal Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml

and here are the Interpretations provided by the Lab:

Patient Result Interpretations
Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive of marginal HPA performance.
Normal rhythms exhibit highest cortisol value for the day at 7 - 8 AM.
Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.
Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of sensitivity to suppression at the pituitary-hypothalamic-axis.
This condition is usually associated with a tendency to endogenous depression, and REM sleep disruptions.
Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to help
optimize HPA responsiveness. Clin. Trial J. 26:33, 1989.

Also the saliva test package included some Hormone testing as well.
I am not sure if you can trust saliva tests but here are the results.
I am afraid Estradiol is way to high according to their ranges:

E2 Estradiol ************** 13 *** Male(20-49 yrs): 1-3 pg/ml Male(50-85 yrs): 1-5 pg/ml
P1 Progesterone ********* 76 *** Male ( adult ): 5-95 pg/ml
TTF Free Testosterone *** 30 *** Male (31-40 yrs): 50-80 pg/ml

STP Saliva Thyroid Study

fTSH Thyroid stimulating hormone 56 Normal Borderline Low: 20-25 nIU/ml Normal: 26-85 nIU/ml Borderline High: 86-120 nIU/ml
fT4 L-Thyroxine 0.27 Normal Normal: 0.17-0.42 ng/dl
fT3 Triiodo-thyronine 0.34 Normal Borderline Low: 0.21-0.27 pg/ml Normal: 0.28-1.10 pg/ml
TPO Thyroid Microsomal Ab, SIgA Negative Normal: Negative

Please let me know what do you think about these numbers.
..

Thanks in advance,
Vradi

Hence if ferritin or cortisol is low then body can not use thyroid hormones at the tissue level more so your results indicate estrogen dominaince/ cortisol defieincy affecting t-3 binding at the cell level. Adrenals fatigue is the main culprit as suspected affecting celular thyroid functoining pretty neat huh LOL

so at 7 am 10 mgs isocort
11 am 5 mgs isocirt
before bed 1 mgs melatonin 300 mgs phospdyfl serosine

What time you go to bed?
are you on computer late at night time ?
Do yo have cell phone or computer in your bed room turned on.
is your alaram clock near your bed.
Do ui sleep with TV on
do you sleep in total darkness ?

It looks like you are having a melatonin deficeincy for some reason as reason above may be cause

[vradi]

Thanks so much hardasnails1973...

What time you go to bed? 12:00 am
are you on computer late at night time ? Yes
Do yo have cell phone or computer in your bed room turned on? Yes
is your alaram clock near your bed? No
Do ui sleep with TV on? No
do you sleep in total darkness? Yes

One more thing I should add, is that I drink about 3 cups of coffee per day.
On the day I did the cortisol test I did not drink any coffee at all, according to the test directions.
Is it possible that my cortisol levels were so low on my test day as a result of caffeine withdraw, since my body was expecting the usual caffeine it gets every morning?

Also I already take 3mgs of melatonin, should I drop that to 1mg?
Should I also take an anti-estrogen, or it should come down on its own once I fix my adrenals?

Thank again,
Vradi

[vradi]

One thing that I would like to ask , is how long I would have to be on Isocort.
Is this something that you have to be on forever?

Thanks,
Vradi

[vradi]

I got the answer to the duration of the Isocort treatment from the Adrenal thread.
According to that thread you need 6 months to 2 years of treatment depending on the severity of your condition. On the high Estradiol issue, what do you guys believe I should do? Should I try low dose Arimidex 1/4 or 1/8 every other day, or I should try a natural DIM IC3 supplement first?

Thanks in advance,
Vradi.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by vradi

I got the answer to the duration of the Isocort treatment from the Adrenal thread.
According to that thread you need 6 months to 2 years of treatment depending on the severity of your condition. On the high Estradiol issue, what do you guys believe I should do? Should I try low dose Arimidex 1/4 or 1/8 every other day, or I should try a natural DIM IC3 supplement first?Thanks in advance,
Vradi.

Get good blood test first.
If you cannot get the blood tested I suggest you do nothing.
Otherwise you will fool yourself that you took some positive action while you just spinn the weel.

[vradi]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Get good blood test first.
If you cannot get the blood tested I suggest you do nothing.
Otherwise you will fool yourself that you took some positive action while you just spinn the weel.

Do you mean to get a blood test to verify the high Estradiol and then think about anti-estrogens? What about adrenal fatigue, do I also need to verify this with a blood test, or this is pretty much a given according to my saliva tests, and I should I get on Isocort right away?

Thanks,
Vradi