Problem with high test?

[Nemesis RR]

I have been on 200mg of test cyp. It is broken down to 100mg every tuesday night and saturday morning. The blood work listed was done on friday morning. I feel great and the classic symptons of andropause are gone. Before my levels were at 380 and I felt like an old man. What do you guys think? Is high test a problem? Should I worry about the estrogen.


CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 6.2 xl0E3/uL 4.0 - 10.5
RBC 5.41 xl0E6/uL 4.10 - 5.60
Hemoglobin 15.6 g/dL 12.5 - 17.0
Hematocrit 47.8 % 36.0 - 50.0
MCV 88 fL 80 - 98
MCH 28.8 pg 27.0 - 34.0
MCHC 32.6 g/dL 32.0 - 36.0
RDW 14.4 % 11.7 - 15.0
Platelets 220 xl0E3/uL 140 - 415
Neutrophils 54 % 40 -74
Lymphs 29 % 14 - 46
Monocytes 11 % 4 - 13
Eos 5 % 0 - 7
Basos 1 % 0 - 3
Neutrophils (Absolute)3.3 x10E3/uL 1.8 - 7.8
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.8 xl0E3/uL 0.7 - 4.5
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.7 xl0E3/uL 0.1 - 1.0
Eos (Absolute) 0.3 xl0E3/uL 0.0 - 0.4
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 xl0E3/uL 0.0 - 0.2
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 76 mg/dL 65 - 99
BUN 16 mg/dL 5 - 26
Creatinine, Serum 1.1 mg/dL 0.5 - 1.5
Glom Filt Rate, Est >60 mL/min 60.0 - 137.0
If African-American >60 mL/min 60.0 - 137.0
Note: Persistent reduction for 3 months or more in an eGFR
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 15 8 - 27
Sodium, Serum 139 mmol/L 135 - 148
Potassium, Serum 4.3 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.5
Chloride, Serum 99 mmol/L 96 - 109
Carbon Dioxide, Total 23 mmol/L 20 - 32
Calcium, Serum 9.0 mg/dL 8.5 - 10.6
Protein, Total, Serum 7.2 g/dL 6.0 - 8.5
Albumin, Serum 4.3 g/dL 3.5 - 5.5

Globulin, Total 2.9 g/dL 1.5 - 4.5
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1 - 2.5
Bilirubin, Total 0.7 mg/dL 0.1 - 1.2
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 47 IU/L 25 - 150
AST (SGOT) 36 IU/L 0 - 40
ALT (SGPT) 37 IU/L 0 - 55

Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 147 mg/dL 100 - 199
Triglycerides 47 mg/dL 0 - 149
HDL Cholesterol 45 mg/dL 40 - 59
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 9 mg/dL 5 - 40
LDL Cholesterol Calc 93 mg/dL 0 - 99

Testosterone,Free+Weakly Bound
Testosterone, Serum 1299 H ng/dL 241 - 827
Testost., % Free+Weakly Bound 44.4% 9.0 - 46.0
> Testost., F+W Bound 576.8H ng/dL 40.0 - 250.0

Free testost. 42.7 pg/mL 8.7 - 25.1

T4 free 1.20 ng/dl .61 - 1.76


FSH and LH
LH <0.3 L mIU/mL 1.5 - 9.3
FSH .03 L mIU/ml 1.4-18.1





Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct, S
T4,Free(Direct) 1.20 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76
Estradiol
> Estradiol 66 H pg/mL 0 - 53
Adult Male: <54
Bayer Centaur/ACS Methodology IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 220 ng/mL 109 - 284

Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum 0.5 ng/mL 0.0 - 4.0

TSH 0.995 uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500
Thyroxine (T4) 5.7 ug/dL 4.5 - 12.0
Prolactin 18.8H ng/mL 2.1 - 17.7

Sex Horm Binding Glob,Serum 33 nmol/L 13 -71
Cortisol - AM 13.7 ug/dL 4.3 - 22.4

[wildfox]

Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

I have been on 200mg of test cyp. It is broken down to 100mg every tuesday night and saturday morning. The blood work listed was done on friday morning. I feel great and the classic symptons of andropause are gone. Before my levels were at 380 and I felt like an old man. What do you guys think? Is high test a problem? Should I worry about the estrogen.

Testosterone,Free+Weakly Bound
Testosterone, Serum 1299 H ng/dL 241 - 827
Testost., % Free+Weakly Bound 44.4% 9.0 - 46.0
> Testost., F+W Bound 576.8H ng/dL 40.0 - 250.0

Free testost. 42.7 pg/mL 8.7 - 25.1

Estradiol
> Estradiol 66 H pg/mL 0 - 53
Adult Male: <54[/b]


Sex Horm Binding Glob,Serum 33 nmol/L 13 -71

Looks like you need some estrogen management, perhaps with arimidex. Talk to your doctor about that. You could also reduce each injection a wee bit.

Perhaps more importantly: HOW DO YOU FEEL? Your lipids and liver function look great.

[EIC]

Wildfox: Dude said he feels great in his post.

Nemesis: Your numbers are fantastic. You have more weakly bound/free testosterone than I have total. You must feel like a demigod. I imagine that you'd feel even better with a little estrogen management. Nice work, man.

[Nemesis RR]

Originally Posted by EIC

Wildfox: Dude said he feels great in his post.

Nemesis: Your numbers are fantastic. You have more weakly bound/free testosterone than I have total. You must feel like a demigod. I imagine that you'd feel even better with a little estrogen management. Nice work, man.

To be honest I feel as I did when I was younger. Until age 35 all I had to do is look at weights and I would grow. I could beat my body to the pulp and all I needed was 8 hours sleep and I would recover. I now feel like that again.

Does anyone know how high a persons test levels can be naturally (and I am not talking about what the labs say)?

[pmgamer18]

Yes here is a link to a chart and you will not believe this but it's ture.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...0levels-20over

Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

To be honest I feel as I did when I was younger. Until age 35 all I had to do is look at weights and I would grow. I could beat my body to the pulp and all I needed was 8 hours sleep and I would recover. I now feel like that again.

Does anyone know how high a persons test levels can be naturally (and I am not talking about what the labs say)?

[EIC]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Yes here is a link to a chart and you will not believe this but it's ture.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...0levels-20over

First off, that cannot be true. If so, then lab results for guys on TRT would be wildly inaccurate unless tested at the same time of day each and every time.

When someone would ask, "What's your TT?" You'd have to respond, "What time are we talking?" Ridiculous. I'm willing to grant you that T levels are highest at one point (i.e., early morning) and begin drop off thereafter, but I doubt seriously that you'd see a 100 pt swing in an hour's time.* The word that popped into my head when I saw that graphic is "random," meaning that there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for those changes. I don't believe it.

Nevertheless, I think Nemisis was asking for figures for a practical maximum for natural testosterone levels. For example, evidence of all natural guys going as high as 1,500 ng/dl.

* This assumes we're talking about day to day figures. I'm sure a dude's T could drop by a 100 or more point the instant he learned, for example, that he or his wife/child/parent had cancer.

[EIC]

Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

To be honest I feel as I did when I was younger. Until age 35 all I had to do is look at weights and I would grow. I could beat my body to the pulp and all I needed was 8 hours sleep and I would recover. I now feel like that again.

Interesting. I'm 25 and I can only remember feeling that way when I was 18, 19, or 20. From 21 on up, though, I feel like if I looked at a weight I needed 8 hours of sleep to recover.

[pmgamer18]

Try to find something that shows avg. levels this is all I could find I showed it to my Dr. and he said this is about right. But he did say this are what your body makes not what you need on TRT. I don't understand how so many of use can be on TRT and there is nothing that shows what a mans avg. T levels are in a day. I told you you would not believe this I did find some info about when T was first used and can't find it they had avg levels in this old study.

Originally Posted by EIC

First off, that cannot be true. If so, then lab results for guys on TRT would be wildly inaccurate unless tested at the same time of day each and every time.

When someone would ask, "What's your TT?" You'd have to respond, "What time are we talking?" Ridiculous. I'm willing to grant you that T levels are highest at one point (i.e., early morning) and begin drop off thereafter, but I doubt seriously that you'd see a 100 pt swing in an hour's time.* The word that popped into my head when I saw that graphic is "random," meaning that there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for those changes. I don't believe it.

Nevertheless, I think Nemisis was asking for figures for a practical maximum for natural testosterone levels. For example, evidence of all natural guys going as high as 1,500 ng/dl.

* This assumes we're talking about day to day figures. I'm sure a dude's T could drop by a 100 or more point the instant he learned, for example, that he or his wife/child/parent had cancer.

[Recless]

Originally Posted by EIC

First off, that cannot be true. If so, then lab results for guys on TRT would be wildly inaccurate unless tested at the same time of day each and every time.

When someone would ask, "What's your TT?" You'd have to respond, "What time are we talking?" Ridiculous. I'm willing to grant you that T levels are highest at one point (i.e., early morning) and begin drop off thereafter, but I doubt seriously that you'd see a 100 pt swing in an hour's time.* The word that popped into my head when I saw that graphic is "random," meaning that there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for those changes. I don't believe it.

Nevertheless, I think Nemisis was asking for figures for a practical maximum for natural testosterone levels. For example, evidence of all natural guys going as high as 1,500 ng/dl.

* This assumes we're talking about day to day figures. I'm sure a dude's T could drop by a 100 or more point the instant he learned, for example, that he or his wife/child/parent had cancer.

You are trying to compare TRT to NATURAL testosterone production. There is no comparison. This chart can be an accurate depiction of NATURAL production, not injecting yourself with esterfied testosterone twice a week. Natural production is VERY pulsitile so a single blood draw is of much less value than if one was on TRT. NATURAL production of testosterone tends to be highest in the morning and fall gradually through the day which is what this graph is showing. If there was a trendline drawn through the graph you would see it better.

[BigAk]

Originally Posted by EIC

Interesting. I'm 25 and I can only remember feeling that way when I was 18, 19, or 20. From 21 on up, though, I feel like if I looked at a weight I needed 8 hours of sleep to recover.

Maybe you should jump onto HRT then.... so you can feel like 18 again....

[eeso]

Umm why hasn't anyone told the original poster to drop his Testosterone dose a bit to bring him into range, which would also lower his e2?

[Nemesis RR]

Originally Posted by eeso

Umm why hasn't anyone told the original poster to drop his Testosterone dose a bit to bring him into range, which would also lower his e2?

I plan to as I don't want to push my luck with my health. I am just thinking if I should continue with every 3.5 days with a lower dosage or same dosage spread out over more days.

[eeso]

Stay on the same plan just lower the dosage.

You need to lower your Serum Test by about 40% to put you at the top of the range. 1299 - 40% = 779.

So if you drop your dosage by 40% it might match up fairly well, so 100mg - 40% = 60mg shots.

[BigAk]

Originally Posted by eeso

Umm why hasn't anyone told the original poster to drop his Testosterone dose a bit to bring him into range, which would also lower his e2?

eeso... I had been hollering to him to drop his test on the other board.... but no word to be heard... When people have made up their mind on something, usually high test triggers selective hearing as one of the side effects... lol

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[BigAk]

Originally Posted by Nemesis RR

I plan to as I don't want to push my luck with my health. I am just thinking if I should continue with every 3.5 days with a lower dosage or same dosage spread out over more days.

Just read this.... Good plan man...