Restart Protocol

[plymouth city]

Some have PM'ed me about restart protocols. Some have had success. Others have not. Big thanks to Eric from Primordial for putting thise together. Its the best restart program I have seen as of yet.

1000iu hCG (LH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks. (intramuscular)

With

100iu hMG (FSH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks.(intramuscular)

With

.25mg arimidex every third day for the last 3 weeks.

With

A natural vitamin E supplement and Dermacrine Sustain continued after hCG/hMG treatment.

Exactly why this protocol will work is more complicated to explain than just laying it out. The basic points here involve using both LH & FSH at the same time (hCG & hMG). This will allow the hCG to work better than using it alone since the hMG will increase your testicular sensitivity to the effects of hCG. The vitamin E and Derma Sustain will also help this. The arimidex or letrozol will control the estrogen formation during this aggressive treatment, and hopefully allow you to bounce back quickly once you drop the hCG/hMG. (As you probably know, high estrogen can be a major suppressor of LH/FSH and testosterone production.)

I suggest you discuss this with your doctor, but keep one thing in mind.

Unless your doctor is a “cutting edge” endocrinologist he is not going to be familiar with the above treatment, let alone actually agree with it. Hopefully he will be understanding enough to write the script without too much bustle. Whatever you do, don’t “dabble” in any half ass protocol – as you will likely decrease your chances of success. For instance, don’t try the hCG alone, as this will eventually desensitize your testes and decrease you chance of a full recovery. Hit it hard and fast.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Some have PM'ed me about restart protocols. Some have had success. Others have not. Big thanks to Eric from Primordial for putting thise together. Its the best restart program I have seen as of yet.

1000iu hCG (LH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks. (intramuscular)

With

100iu hMG (FSH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks.(intramuscular)

With

.25mg arimidex every third day for the last 3 weeks.

With

A natural vitamin E supplement and Dermacrine Sustain continued after hCG/hMG treatment.

Exactly why this protocol will work is more complicated to explain than just laying it out. The basic points here involve using both LH & FSH at the same time (hCG & hMG). This will allow the hCG to work better than using it alone since the hMG will increase your testicular sensitivity to the effects of hCG. The vitamin E and Derma Sustain will also help this. The arimidex or letrozol will control the estrogen formation during this aggressive treatment, and hopefully allow you to bounce back quickly once you drop the hCG/hMG. (As you probably know, high estrogen can be a major suppressor of LH/FSH and testosterone production.)

I suggest you discuss this with your doctor, but keep one thing in mind.

Unless your doctor is a “cutting edge” endocrinologist he is not going to be familiar with the above treatment, let alone actually agree with it. Hopefully he will be understanding enough to write the script without too much bustle. Whatever you do, don’t “dabble” in any half ass protocol – as you will likely decrease your chances of success. For instance, don’t try the hCG alone, as this will eventually desensitize your testes and decrease you chance of a full recovery. Hit it hard and fast.

Last time I contacted Eric it was about fertility.
very similar protocol, HCG + 100iu HMG

Double check with Eric, HMG comes in 75iu packages, possibly that would be enough.

It is a shame, the discussion happened here on this board and this valuable post was pulled out..
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I checked yesterday at local Walgreens (Caldwels NJ)
they sold last HCG a week ago.
No info about future supply.

Asked for HMG and FSH same thing, they do not have it.

[Right Hook]

Solid looking protocol. I think the original guy he gave this too did not have success with it, but from the looks of things he has several OTHER life issues causing his problems.

[raw1973]

I pm'd Plymouth about this. Thanks for posting! --

[kataking]

That one looks good. If I resume TRT I will more than likely run it for 8 months and then restart my HPTA. I might give the above protocol a go. I have had good luck in the past with Dr Scalleys protocol run for 2 months. even better results when I added in HGH.

For what its worth, I have run HCG throughout my TRT. Makes restart much easier.

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Some have PM'ed me about restart protocols. Some have had success. Others have not. Big thanks to Eric from Primordial for putting thise together. Its the best restart program I have seen as of yet.

1000iu hCG (LH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks. (intramuscular)

With

100iu hMG (FSH mimicker) shot every third day for 4 weeks.(intramuscular)

With

.25mg arimidex every third day for the last 3 weeks.

With

A natural vitamin E supplement and Dermacrine Sustain continued after hCG/hMG treatment.

Exactly why this protocol will work is more complicated to explain than just laying it out. The basic points here involve using both LH & FSH at the same time (hCG & hMG). This will allow the hCG to work better than using it alone since the hMG will increase your testicular sensitivity to the effects of hCG. The vitamin E and Derma Sustain will also help this. The arimidex or letrozol will control the estrogen formation during this aggressive treatment, and hopefully allow you to bounce back quickly once you drop the hCG/hMG. (As you probably know, high estrogen can be a major suppressor of LH/FSH and testosterone production.)

I suggest you discuss this with your doctor, but keep one thing in mind.

Unless your doctor is a “cutting edge” endocrinologist he is not going to be familiar with the above treatment, let alone actually agree with it. Hopefully he will be understanding enough to write the script without too much bustle. Whatever you do, don’t “dabble” in any half ass protocol – as you will likely decrease your chances of success. For instance, don’t try the hCG alone, as this will eventually desensitize your testes and decrease you chance of a full recovery. Hit it hard and fast.

I see this protocol is SERM free. What actually is stimulating the pituitary and hypothalamus to kick back into action...the Sustain? hCG will continue to inhibit the HPTA. However I do realise that the testes can be the slow part of the HPTA to come back online. I thought any dose of hCG over 500iu was not advisable these days.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by Matt Muscle

I see this protocol is SERM free. What actually is stimulating the pituitary and hypothalamus to kick back into action...the Sustain? hCG will continue to inhibit the HPTA. However I do realise that the testes can be the slow part of the HPTA to come back online. I thought any dose of hCG over 500iu was not advisable these days.

Nope, no SERM. No reason for it.

The idea is to "Shock" the testes back into working.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by kataking

That one looks good. If I resume TRT I will more than likely run it for 8 months and then restart my HPTA. I might give the above protocol a go. I have had good luck in the past with Dr Scalleys protocol run for 2 months. even better results when I added in HGH.

For what its worth, I have run HCG throughout my TRT. Makes restart much easier.

ABSOLUTELY! If one can get ahold of HGH or Sermorelin and run it during this protocol the whole time(1Iu GH or 200mcg of Sermorelin) that would make it all the more effective

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Last time I contacted Eric it was about fertility.
very similar protocol, HCG + 100iu HMG

Double check with Eric, HMG comes in 75iu packages, possibly that would be enough.

It is a shame, the discussion happened here on this board and this valuable post was pulled out..
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I checked yesterday at local Walgreens (Caldwels NJ)
they sold last HCG a week ago.
No info about future supply.

Asked for HMG and FSH same thing, they do not have it.

One could assume that 75Iu would be fine.

One also assumes that most running this protocol are getting their gear underground, so supply of hcG or hmG shouldn't be an issue.

[eeso]

All due respect to Eric - the guy is a genius, but I would personally opt for 500iu HCG every 2nd day rather than 1000iu every 3rd day. I've tried various dosing during restart and I felt really good on 500iu EOD, but more than that I didn't feel very well and didn't sleep well either.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by eeso

All due respect to Eric - the guy is a genius, but I would personally opt for 500iu HCG every 2nd day rather than 1000iu every 3rd day. I've tried various dosing during restart and I felt really good on 500iu EOD, but more than that I didn't feel very well and didn't sleep well either.

The idea is to shock and overwhelm the testicals into responding. You want to be feeling on the edge and edgy and uncomfortable. 500Iu wouldn't be enough

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Nope, no SERM. No reason for it.

The idea is to "Shock" the testes back into working.

Why is there no consideration for the Pituitary and Hypothalamus. Often this end of the equation can become stuck in a lower gear of operation once interupted by exogenous hormones?
I do realise that the testes can be slow to respond once atrophy has set in, and can often be the limiting factor in recovery, however im sure the signals from higher up can also be a problem.
I personally feel that both "wheels" of the operation need to be spinning at an apropriate speed so that the axis can return to normal function and not stall.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by Matt Muscle

Why is there no consideration for the Pituitary and Hypothalamus. Often this end of the equation can become stuck in a lower gear of operation once interupted by exogenous hormones?
I do realise that the testes can be slow to respond once atrophy has set in, and can often be the limiting factor in recovery, however im sure the signals from higher up can also be a problem.
I personally feel that both "wheels" of the operation need to be spinning at an apropriate speed so that the axis can return to normal function and not stall.

Sustain is chock loaded with Resveratrol which is a natural, potent SERM.

Running a SERM during the retstart might decrease chances that it work. Thats why a SERM like Sustain is added in at the end

[Matt Muscle]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Sustain is chock loaded with Resveratrol which is a natural, potent SERM.

Running a SERM during the retstart might decrease chances that it work. Thats why a SERM like Sustain is added in at the end

Ok well if this Sustain really works then that is good... But i still remain sceptical of it.

I feel that the stimulus to the upper end of the HPTA needs to be run at the same time that that the testes are being pushed back into action. I like the sound of tamoxifen better, because it has properties which make the testes more sensitive to hCG whilst prompting the pituitary and hypothalamus, and over time making the pituitary more sensitive to GNRH. Obviously the two would only be run together for a short period after which tamoxifen would take over and be run for a specific time and tapered. I have read many accounts of guys doing it this way with good success.
Those that do not respond to this may have created more problems from heavy steriod cycling and intense training which has drained thier adrenal, thyriod and nervous systems, so that recovery is not possible without far greater intervention.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by Matt Muscle

Ok well if this Sustain really works then that is good... But i still remain sceptical of it.

I feel that the stimulus to the upper end of the HPTA needs to be run at the same time that that the testes are being pushed back into action. I like the sound of tamoxifen better, because it has properties which make the testes more sensitive to hCG whilst prompting the pituitary and hypothalamus, and over time making the pituitary more sensitive to GNRH. Obviously the two would only be run together for a short period after which tamoxifen would take over and be run for a specific time and tapered. I have read many accounts of guys doing it this way with good success.
Those that do not respond to this may have created more problems from heavy steriod cycling and intense training which has drained thier adrenal, thyriod and nervous systems, so that recovery is not possible without far greater intervention.

I see your points. I think you have some very valid ideas. All in all, its good discussion.